I wish Riot could just remove the Magic Pen from Oblivion orb and give it Grievous Wounds instead

ShroomLord645·1/30/2019, 5:35:55 PM·58 votes·16,246 views

item 3123 800g Attack option --> item 3033

item 3076 1000g Tank Option --> item 3075

????????????????????? --> item 3165

I wish they could give AP champs an early option to deal with heavy healers too.

47 Comments

Done251/30/2019, 5:37:00 PM38 votes

Would be a good way to get rid of early double mpen rush from boots+orb too.

Ηuawei1/30/2019, 6:14:05 PM10 votes

Grievieous wounds should be a choice not built-in into your generic default itemization

Daddy Ants1/30/2019, 8:31:00 PM8 votes

Agreed

Sorc + Oblivion = Mage deals true damage to any squishy.

taleofsonata1/30/2019, 6:12:18 PM5 votes

So that mages have 1 magic pen in the whole game? while Ad have billions of armor pen items aka lethality? Don't AD rush like 4 Armor pen items in succession?

Worst Morde NA1/31/2019, 3:05:45 AM4 votes

No, there is so little MP in the game.

Rather, they should make a lesser item for AP cham pool s that gives grievous wounds.

Frog goes moo1/30/2019, 10:21:18 PM3 votes

You don't like being one shotted by zyra at 12 minutes because she built one item? Hahah bronze :)

SexualNuts2/1/2019, 12:05:54 AM2 votes

I'm down for that, if the GW amount is halved until the full morello is bought

FCJAAAAGOOOO1/30/2019, 8:13:36 PM2 votes

At least people can now buy a NMM to negate the mpen from Boots+Oblivion WITHOUT getting wrecked anyway by the best build in the game. Both Oblivion Orb and Morellonomicon deserved their nerfs.

PrinceOfStorms2/1/2019, 4:56:18 AM1 votes

No. And in fact Executioner's Calling and Bramble Vest should be deleted. As a Vlad player it's super tilting to play an AD champion that buys Executioner's Calling first back and neuters you for the rest of the game.

Unless you want to give Vlad full Q healing vs minions and give vlad 100% spell vamp on his W.

Cloud2732/1/2019, 11:03:57 AM1 votes

There's no shame in building merc treads/qss on an adc. Yes it's not really your ideal build, but if it keeps you alive longer why wouldn't you do it? It's better than just getting burst down the instant the fight starts and being useless.

Dyrreah2/1/2019, 3:05:52 PM1 votes

I'd prefer this way. Although there aren't many ppl who go mortal reminder early, maybe against the healing cut portion against mundo or smth, but every other way its a huge stat loss. But yeah oblivion orb sorc shoes makes me cringe everytime I pick something tanks. I have a fucking visage and their boot2 and a cheap COMPONENT makes me be as tanky as a lvl1 ezreal.

Thilmer2/1/2019, 3:14:50 PM1 votes

I have being complaining about this for months.

"God, there is a Vladimir in the enemy team, and a Darius too, and the ADC is an idiot and doesn't want to spend 900 gold on item 3123 . Guess I'll spend a fucking 2900 gold in item 3165 to do the grievous wounds myself".

If you are a mage and you want to do grievous wounds, you are totally screwed.

Rathar Dashing1/30/2019, 7:59:15 PM1 votes

Can we get an image of that one Patrick Star meme

SanKakU1/31/2019, 2:15:56 AM1 votes

I like this idea, it was the first thing I thought of when I saw new Morellonomicon.

I also like the idea of them giving us a new tier 2 item that goes into Randuin's Omen to give us the anti-critical strikes.

Häxel1/31/2019, 5:21:51 AM1 votes

Now i wanted also earlier grivious wounds just for consistency and i wanted also just soem magicpen nerfed. But i can see why early magic pen sucks on midlane. Lets jsut assume the named items are bought on the respective lanes Bot, Top, Mid. Bot:item 3033 is good vs lifesteal which gets fairly bought lategame beside maybe Draven or item 3153, but for these early Gw are mostly not worth. Now if a heavy heal support is there (probably just Soraka ) , you can try to get early item 3123 even if it sucks in the buildpathtiming.

Top: item 3075 is an okish item and item 3076 works good vs Champs like DrMundo or Trundle , but they can outplay the debuff by simply not autoattackign you (unless you taunt them). Ofcourse that is easier for a Mundo who throws qs and has a free sunfire as for a Trundle who can jsut autoattack you. Even if Bramble is not quite balanced and maybe should jsut be remvoed, you can kinda ingnore it if necesary.

Mid: With Akali heal gone in 9.3 where will just be Vladimir Swain Ahri Cassiopeia Ekko item 3146 mostly. And i tell you what: Your suggested change would completly cripple Vlad and Swain. item 3165 Gw are based on the champ who holds it and does dmg. Vlads and Swaisn whole Laningphase is balanced around the soly fact that their enemys most likly go first item 3802 item, item 3020 and then item 3165 . If People could rush Grivious Wounds vs Vlad and Swain on Midlane, their whole championkit would be half as effective. And no, the solution then would NOT just to buff their heals cause then we would jsut circlejerk around, make other Gw items far weaker in effect and should wonder why we did your suggestion in the first place.

Of all lanes Midlane may have the lowest number of sustainc ases, but they are the strongest dependent on that. Like Swain falsl super late off and Vlad is also just decent late.

JackMcSnipeyz1/31/2019, 5:29:28 AM1 votes

Mages have longer range and can poke much more safely.

Sustain and healers should be their weakness, you poke them out of lane, and if you cant you play safe and wave clear until you get morello.

Im also pretty sure most mage players prefer the burst stats of flat early armor pen.

Im not a mage player tho so i dunno.

Ifneth1/31/2019, 5:57:20 AM1 votes

Why don’t we just switch them? Grievous Wounds on Orb would deter anyone who didn’t need Grievous Wounds from buying it.

Nausicäa 1/31/2019, 8:19:42 AM1 votes

Cool, delete lethality from the game when you do this then.

CØulrophobia1/31/2019, 11:28:51 AM1 votes

Yeah because what game needs right now is less tanks. Reduce Magic penetration on boots AND orb(but not on Morello); then push up the GW only to full items. Destroying an entire champions kit for 900g is ridiculous and unfun. Makes mages less opressive and allows for more tanks that right now might even be named Siege Minion no.17-a based on their performance.