Thoughts on current veigar?

nope he's perfect, considering he loses out heavily to champions with any form of range or mobility this is the boost he needed to make him not a feast or famine champ.

Don't think much has changed he's still a little shit that suffers to anyone with any sort of gap closer and basically if you let him farm its gg same as always

i feel like they put too much ap gain in his kit. at the same time his stun is much less reliable now. the delay. while might seem negligible. its very big. you used to time your stun on a location your opponent is at. but not. you have to predict it. a little too far and they stay inside and not get stuned. a little too close and they walk over it

No champ should have a 2000 damage ult mid-game. It's like Lee Sin's ult but ranged.

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nope he's perfect, considering he loses out heavily to champions with any form of range or mobility this is the boost he needed to make him not a feast or famine champ.

Yeah well I'm not sure about that.. Sure he has his hard match ups but with the mid teleport meta and his decent range means he doesn't really stop stacking..

{quoted} Don't think much has changed he's still a little shit that suffers to anyone with any sort of gap closer and basically if you let him farm its gg same as always

What do you mean by "let him farm"? Cause now veigar's farm is like 50% hitting champions with any abillity.. So.. Don't get hit by an abillity ever?

Yeah he's pretty stupid imo... But there's not much you can do he's a champion that relies on numbers. He either out stats you and one shots you or he dies and is useless.

Yeah hes strong when he farms, hes a hit or miss which means hes pretty balanced, hes very punishable early and comes back late with revenge that's what he designed to do.

I think veigar is in a decent place, I just feels he needs some tweaks.. He gains the AP that he gains way too quickly, due to both his passive and his q's last hitting. I genuinely think they should revert the q to hit only 1 target or reduce the ap gain per stack of his passive.

In addition I'd really like to have more counter-play around being CAGED in the E (I think that getting stunned cause veigar aimed the ability correctly is fine).

Currently in lane, even if he misses the stun you're still very limited in terms of dodging his W, so he can just drop it and it usually hits anyway. My problem is that he can just cast it and lock me inside for 3 seconds (and I still get stunned for the full duration if a half a second before it ends I walk/get thrown into it [like by voli's q i.e.]) and it just feels overbearing (heh).

Why does the cage has to be up for so long?