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4 man pre made vs all solo queue team (Dynamic queue feedback)

Karn Bishop··76 votes·10,228 views

This should never happen, it was just pure torture to watch them walk into my jungle and rotate bully me to death with team communication while my solo queue laners just sit back and let it happen, they didn't even have to deal with the morale hit from soloQ because they were all buddies, so if they make a mistake to them its no big deal, to us? major team infighting and arguments.

To make it worse they were all BM animation spamming us and mocking us.

Tl;Dr if you do not fix this then I'm done supporting your game as i play ranked to test out my individual skill, I don't play it to get 4 man animation bm'd about how much more skilled they are because they are on skype.

edit: since people are claiming it gives solo queue a skill point advantage, proof that it does not.

Enemy total mmr with pre made total: 7476 Averaged: 1495.2

allied total MMR with solo queue total: 7199 Averaged: 1439.8

51 Comments

NeverCar26 votes

If you don't have friends......quit league of legends. -Rito Games

Dominick Destine14 votes

Yeah, new system sucks... might have to quit League of Legends because this is a complete dealbreaker.

Vore Monster11 votes

Not that I'm against you, but I feel that this type of experience is going to force solo players to be less toxic to one another and prompt better communication.

Should the enemy of BM? No, it's rude.

I want to put out a game called Evolve for my example (a 4v1 game of cat and mouse)

During the alpha, beta, and launch, NOBODY communicated. It was horrible and normally lead to the monsters winning PUG matches.

People complained, Turtle Rock didn't nerf monsters and basically said "do better."

After a few weeks, solo players started to ping and talk to one another more. They started to win more. And it turned out the monsters were way too weak against hunters.

Moral of the story? I don't think this should be changed, I think players should strive to work together to compete and try to be less toxic in order to win.

Karn Bishop8 votes

except league does not have default voice chat, evolve does, its also a slightly different situation in general as teamwork requirements are just different for evolve then league simply due to the nature of both games.

Vore Monster3 votes

Even in league every person dynamically changes the game. That's why 4v5 is such a hard comeback on the DC side unless the enemy makes big mistakes.

And if you've played evolve, you would know at those early stages, rarely anyone used a microphone. It was mostly pings and text

SpongebobIsLife1 votes

but there is curse...

YossarianSensei3 votes

Solo queuers play solo queue for the solo queue experience

If I wanted to fuk around with Premades I'd just go play Ranked 5s.

Vore Monster6 votes

You're just as likely to run into a premade in draft, team builder, or blind pick as you are dynamic queue.

Your solo experience is with 4 others on your side. If you feel like communication and teamwork weren't necessary in soloQ, then you shouldn't be playing a team game.

Battalion2 votes

Exactly.

YossarianSensei7 votes

I don't get your point, because my changes of running into a premade in previous verions of Rank = 0%

My Solo Queue experience is with 4 other Solo Queuers at my side which is a huge difference from premades.

I'm not complaining about Dynamic Queue because 'herr oh no I have to communicate now' but rather because Premades completely change what champs, strategies, and team comps are available and I don't think its reasonable to use the same ranking system to measure Solo and Premade players considering that it's essentially a different game.

Swooshter2 votes

Put simply, who do you think would win. 5 solo challenger players, or a 5 man challenger team?

But this is exactly what the new system does. I am all for people having a chance of playing with friends, but there are group ranked for a reason.

I Might Be Vari1 votes

Your line of thinking and logic behind that final conclusive sentence are all wrong. One thing you need to remember about gaming is that the community doesn't change for the game. It just doesn't. The change in the game changes the community. NOT vice versa. Now let me be clear on this. Understanding how this change is affecting the community is crucial. The Dynamic Queue system will not have the affect you're saying it "should have". These types of things just do not work that way. I'll give you an example, World of Warcraft had a very tight nit community before the RDF system was implemented. After, not so much. The reason being. It gave players a reason not to Seek out one another. Now the same exact thing is happening here. The Dynamic queue is a way for players to group together via Picking their roles.. again DPS tank heal... ADC supp mid... and forcing people to form smaller groups together. The players that are left without groups are now having to face about half solo players and half pre made teams. This is a mirror image of what happened in WoW. One last thing you need to understand. A community will never change, if not given the proper stimulant. It never has, it never will. This, what's happening right now. Will kill LoL in the long run as a competitive game. It will die out and be a fun party game to play with your small group of friends. Against other small groups of friends. I will bet my life savings on that. UNLESS, they revert this change, or find a better system.

On a side note, I just wanted to say that the only reason I came to this thread was because a friend of mine was bragging about being gold to me, after I had recently gotten demoted. A day or two of him being smug I actually checked his games on op . gg and found out that he played with a group of 4 the entire way to gold. And than stopped playing ranked. You can say whatever you want, I've known him personally for almost our whole lives. So I know how good he is at league.

YossarianSensei3 votes

Try being the 1 fuk that gets queued with a premade 4 man

63536895_DEL1 votes

I would just not feed and look at hentai while they carried me :D

YossarianSensei1 votes

And what makes you think your 4 man would be superior to the enemy 4 man?

Supreme Senpai693 votes

Isn't that the entire point of the thread tho? Premade 4's are being put against solo Queues, and premade 4's are better than solo queues. That's what the OP is saying, anyway. I wouldn't know.

astralwit3 votes

Exactly, it isn't just about it happening rarely, this situation should NEVER exist for the SAME ladder ranking. Someone playing with a 4 man premade is having an entirely different experience and has different skillsets used than a solo que player. Why would they ever be ranked together? The player pools won't even interact. It's silly and just because similar groups will usually be paired together doesn't change a thing. That's akin to saying "but sir, our meals only have semen 1% of the time!" That's not good enough!

Rankings also won't be very reflective when you have so many different things measured for different groups and somehow you're lopping them all together as if it's the same thing. This has never been addressed by Riot. It isn't even just about matchmaking balance. Even if in a hypothetical scenario matchmaking would be perfectly balanced and a 3 man group would always face another 3 man group, solo with solo etc. you still have the huge problem that these players are ranked together despite a very different experience/skillset.

Nami in Bush2 votes

happened earlier and was pissing me off. change this stupid shit

Joanna JQueen1 votes

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Alakalzam3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Joanna JQueen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AYL7YRg7,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-01-16T21:40:03.507+0000)

Not true.

PDE5 Inhibitors13 votes

Not every time. Check your facts ignorant #$#%

Joanna JQueen1 votes

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Karn Bishop8 votes

Enemy total mmr with pre made total: 7476 Averaged: 1495.2

allied total MMR with solo queue total: 7199 Averaged: 1439.8

Adjusts huh? not only were they higher then us they were 4 man grouped so i call pulling facts out of your arse for 1000 bob.

TahmKench Expert1 votes

Isn't the guy on Jeopardy named Alex?

Karn Bishop12 votes

wait you don't even play ranked, like at all. Not even a single match in ranked play to provide insight or experience on the subject, how inflated is your ego?

Little Stick Man5 votes

EXPOSED

NeverCar2 votes

[{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AYL7YRg7,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2016-01-16T21:41:03.299+0000)

Not every time. Check your facts ignorant #$#%

out of the 20 games I've played in the last 48 hours...I've gone up against at least 10 pre-made (4-5)

P.S.

Don't be mean...

PDE5 Inhibitors3 votes

Mean? I simply quoted him.

wokedaddy1 votes

That is great they probably a bunch a casual friend players that have a large range of elo, easy pickings.

Karn Bishop4 votes

Except we were all solo queue players, i checked, and even if i didn't everyone yelling at each other on my team while calling each other pieces of sheit made it clear my team WAS NOT another 4 man pre made.

The Queen Viper1 votes

Actually that's not how it works... sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.

Currently it's quite random.

Jasiwel1 votes

The weirdest part is that they could completely avoid this issue by reverting to the old 2-person-maximum party system in SoloQ.

Or they could OFFICIALLY announce the death of SoloQ, so that we can all move on in our lives.

Troll for Trump1 votes

Even worse is when you get the 4man premade which forces you to be their puppet or they shrek you the whole game.

Count Zubat1 votes

I wonder: why Riot didn't just make so you can play only with one friend or alone in solo queue? Duo queuers were already seen by some as toxic, but 4 man premade? Besides, there's 5v5 team ranked, if someone already found 3 friends to play, I don't think he would have problems to find 4th one.

Jonxx1 votes

It's already being fixed.

Hotlin3 Fling1 votes

Why is bm spamming a bad thing? It's like core in ask of my strats

OneSmoothDude1 votes

You're asking why having bad manners is a bad thing. Think about it.

ithazul1 votes

I actually like what they have done so far and feel we need more time to see how it plays out before all the sky is falling, end of the world talk. My experience in ranked "without friends" has been far better than the old solo que. The feeders and leavers has dropped considerably even if someone doesn't do that well in lane they are playing the spot they are most comfortable with and seem to be able to still have an effect mid/late game compared to not knowing the lane and just giving up. I have been pushed harder with better comps and better team tatics but honestly feel for the first time its feels more like a team game then one guy going 21-2-14 ..feeding off the feeders then overpowering the better players after they feasted on the weak and worthless. I am going to lose to 4 mans sooner or later but I feel that kind of play if what the silvers/gold like myself should be experiencing here and now as we try to move forward higher ranks and more like minded playing styles. This will only make us better. I will say if every match is a 4 man vs all solos then yeah that sucks but I don't believe that is the case.

Stand Alone Wolf1 votes

Mercenary Team-Deathmatch for soloQ please Riot.

-Modern-Warfare 2

Pawn of hearts1 votes

"rank doesn't proves INDIVIDUAL skill" because it team rank Game". (its not 1 vs 1 rank game)

314exeexe1 votes

If u play solo q vs 4 man premade and you lose you can only learn from your mistakes and improve. You should be grateful to Riot that they gave you this experience and an opportunity to really learn the game.

ofart1 votes

{quoted}

If u play solo q vs 4 man premade and you lose you can only learn from your mistakes and improve. You should be grateful to Riot that they gave you this experience and an opportunity to really learn the game.

Sure, but it shouldn't occur on the same ladder in a ranked environment. It is too radically different to equate a ranking of a 4-man premade to a solo que ranking. They mean different things and it makes absolutely zero sense to lump them as one.

314exeexe1 votes

No there is no difference. Its the same game. A blitz in solo q can do the same as a blitz in 4 premade team. If you think there is a difference then its all in your head. Its the same thing when the enemy team has a smurf on their team. Just learn from the better players or better team and stop cry about it.

ofart1 votes

Wrong, it's an entirely different strategic experience and playstyle. Even pros have admitted as much. Champion kits obviously don't change but the way the game is played (lane swaps and coordinated invades for example) give it a very different feel and pace. Different things matter in these situations and it is NOT the same skillset at all.

There are many of examples of top solo que players with poor performances in competitive play. To pretend that a 5 man team is anywhere near the same nature of experience as solo que is simply delusional and stupid. By that logic if I put random solo que players vs a ranked 5s team with great synergy, they would perform the same. I'm sure pro teams don't need to practice together, work on coordinated plays etc. either because "it's all the same game."

Your opinion just doesn't fit with reality. It's not about anyone whining, it's that the system is FUNDAMENTALLY broken by ranking such different things together. Likewise, if I gave you a list of the best apples and along with the fruit, I list an Apple Macbook, it would be a pretty dumb list.

BvgV1efhln1 votes

Welcome RiotLyte says that its all okay....so fuck off..... he know best,.....he is master in philosophy dude....

Savage271 votes

Can we re-evaluate this. This shit still happens all the time. Like i dont want to be in my promos again and see a 4 man team just walk over everyone one of my solo queue teammates. Like its not even fun. i couldnt farm after level 8 simply because the enemy team had such better communication. Like I would be cool with this, if when you get matched against a full team and you are all solo queue, if you get a reduced lp loss, or dont get a loss in your promos. otherwise you just get rekt for just trying to play a fair game. But i guess thats asking too much, sense this is league of legends. gg rito

4oki1 votes

stop buying skins and stuff from their shop eventually those morons will realizez they have to sort their shits out thats what i did

Buldozer bre1 votes

I just had one out of idk how many solo q vs 4 man premade matches. We hot completely stomped. AND ON TOP OF THAT, THEY HAD ONE PLAYER WHO WAS PLAT 5, AND WE HAD A SILVER 2 PALYER!!! ALL OTHERS ARE GOLD. RIOT PLEASEEEEEE!!! UR MATCHMAKING IS SHIT!!!! I LOSE MY NERVES BECAUSE OF UNFAIR MATCHUPS!!!!

Buldozer bre1 votes

I just played a normal match for example, I qued up solo only to play with other soloQ teammates VS A 4 MAN PREMADE TEAM!!!!! Of course we got STOMPED whole match long, in the end the score was like 40- 10, it was disgusting!! Stupid RIOT Dynamic Que is so unfair that it can ruin your day just in the start of the match, when u see that they are all premade tryhards vs soloQ players who end up feeding all..... And are we even supposed to stand a chance and win that match?? NO. The matchmaking system just puts u on the "should lose" side, and u have to get shit on for the next 4 matches or so.

blademasteraa1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Karn Bishop,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AYL7YRg7,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-01-16T21:36:41.360+0000)

This should never happen, it was just pure torture to watch them walk into my jungle and rotate bully me to death with team communication while my solo queue laners just sit back and let it happen, they didn't even have to deal with the morale hit from soloQ because they were all buddies, so if they make a mistake to them its no big deal, to us? major team infighting and arguments.

To make it worse they were all BM animation spamming us and mocking us.

Tl;Dr if you do not fix this then I'm done supporting your game as i play ranked to test out my individual skill, I don't play it to get 4 man animation bm'd about how much more skilled they are because they are on skype.

edit: since people are claiming it gives solo queue a skill point advantage, proof that it does not.

Enemy total mmr with pre made total: 7476 Averaged: 1495.2

allied total MMR with solo queue total: 7199 Averaged: 1439.8

This is really unfair system.

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