477 passive stacks cassiopeia at 19:47
I still do less dmg than our ADC. Q_Q
Edit: And the game ends before 20:00
I still do less dmg than our ADC. Q_Q
Edit: And the game ends before 20:00
Meh, while I consider her gameplay worse than pre patch I consider her fine now (balance wise). (Old Cassiopeia main here)
My last 2 matches: http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1874344916/22014328?tab=overview 16 / 2 / 11** victory**
http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1874344177/22014328?tab=overview 24 / 7 / 13 victory
I can give you my runes / masteries if you want
EDIT:
http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1874795748/22014328?tab=overview 15 / 5 / 12 victory
EDIT 2: 9 / 6 / 6 LOSS :( So I'm showing all my Cass game stoday. Here's a loss. (Dealt twice as much damage as the next member of our team) ( Well, I dare say I'm not to blame. I had 110 CS when Ori had 55 and was 3/1. Sadly Rek Sai snowballed hard and won them the game (top gates open at 13 minutes...) http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1874892097/22014328
Edit 3: http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1875558461/22014328 9 / 2 / 3 victory ** I have to admit that most of my kills this game were thanks to a really great jungler. Honor to whom honor is due.**
Edit 4: http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1875569212/22014328?tab=stats
14/11/12 victory AGAINST 3 Diamond players! (see attachment) Really a difficult but good game, we made it. :) Luckily me and Vayne both were realtively fed and they couldn't take out more than 1 of us per fight.
Edit 5: 5/1/3 victory Support Cassiopeia http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1879266258/22014328?tab=overview
Edit 6: 5/3/2 victory (started 3/1 and denied top pretty hard... than I got ganked by 5 guys... TWICE) http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1880261860/22014328?tab=overview
Edit 7: 23/11/12 victory http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1883107518/22014328 Not a special match but really long and tough against a fed Irelia and a fed Fizz. The damage dealt to champions speaks for itself though.
Edit 7: 11 / 6 / 13 victory http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1885003352/22014328 (Really a tough match since the enemy Kat got a tripple 8 minutes in the game at drake)
Edit 8: 22 / 12 / 8 victory http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1885315401/22014328 (What a game... I have extreme respect for AP Sona + Sion Wombo Combo now)
Edit 9: 20 / 11 / 15 LOSS http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1886151919/22014328
Edit 10: 13 / 2 / 9 victory http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1886237470/22014328
Edit 11: 14 / 10 / 9 LOSS. Thanks to a 3 man premade who started intentional feeding, led by an Ezreal who spent his time insulting, flaming and threatening us with fake reports. (Sadly, we definitely could have won if it wasn't for this.. What's an accurate term for such people? Scum seems fitting) http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1888685033/22014328?tab=overview
Edit 12: 10 / 8 / 7 LOSS http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1898950772/22014328?tab=overview
Edit 13: 14/4/12 victory http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1899104857/22014328?tab=overview
Edit 14: 13/3/13 victory http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1900609586/22014328?tab=overview
Edit 15: 5 / 11 / 7 LOSS (Support Cassiopeia) My first negative Cassiopeia round. A really unenjoyable round, Graves had huge ping spikes meaning we lost sure won battles at bot. The enemies noticed his DCs and made their Shaco camp us, while the enemy GP used 4 consecutive ultimates on bot once he hit six.... Instead of help the French premade we were mixed in started flaming and insulting.... http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1903008552/22014328
I can give you my runes / masteries if you want
gimme
Runes: 4.5 Movementspeed 7.8 Mpen 216 Health @18 28 AP @18
Masteries (picture)
Senpai got downvoted cause you said she was balanced... I upvote you dont worry bby!
Haha, thanks!
Yea, as I mentioned - I think her gameplay got worsened - and the removal of the speedbuff hurt her a lot. Can't say much about her damage though, you just have to be able to reliably land Q. That however is something many players who are less experienced with her can't. I used to main her so I am relatively used to it.
Btw, pro tip: If your opponent is too low for an all-in and plays too passive to force him into battle you can lasthit with E (without wasting mana on poison) to save and gain mana.
Pre rework I used to bully enemies out of lane, now I simply outsustain them. (Catalyst first item)
I agree, Cassiopeia before rework was a bully in lane, but when it came down to it.... at late game she was kinda of meh. Now she can outsustain her opponent and punish them while surviving, at around late game she can go through the transition better. I think the problem is that people want her to be doing only poison dot damage rather than pressing E to reset.
who cares about her effectiveness. I bought Cass because I wanted to play poison mage, not E bot
As I mentioned - I also dislike her new gameplay, but from a balancing perspective she is fine now. One gotta be honest.
Then why did you buy Cassiopea at any point in time ever? She's always been an E spammer. They used to call her an AP Carry back when "AD" was the colloquial name for what we now call ADC or Marksman. The term "Burst DPS" was also used a lot
Did you even play the old Cass? E has always been the all in/maximize dps spell. She much preferred to sit back and throw poisons to whittle people down before even attempting to fang.
Apparently poking before a teamfight starts is a Cassiopea exclusive trait. Lots of champions that can all in have poke abilities, especially mages.
Cassiopeia's defining trait has always been her higher DPS compared to most champions burst.
The old Cass could be played in several ways, she wasn't anywhere near as limited as she is today. Actually (back when Q had a 0.9 ratio) playing her as a poker instead of "a machine gun" had much better performance (E also had higher base damage at that point, so leveling it up early wasn't that important)
I kinda pretty much sorta agree. Although I'll point out how retarded it is how I've only ever had ONE game out of all my 4.21 Cass games where my 500 Stacks actually got some gameplays. All other games ended the moment I reached 500. "OMFG their Lucian got FB gg no re Surrender@20!" or the enemy surrender the moment you took out a single inner turret.
Although that may fall more in line with gameplay. I know her Passive is a big source of her gameplay problem.
Either way, the controversy over her rework has way more to do with gameplay than balance. Balancing is "easy" relatively speaking. What the rework is failing horribly at is her gameplay...
The obvious issue here is so many people are incapable of telling the difference between "Viable" and "Fun" or "Satisfying" or "Thematically Consistent"...
One tip:
Try to fake-invade at level 1. Within the brawl you usually get a few stacks which allow you to hit 100 stacks earlier, making your lane more enjoyable further leading into easier stack generation.
Yeah I pretty much do that anyways even without being Cass. Throw a long ranged spell or two until your opponents overreact and burns or a flash or rearrange their entire formation thinking I'm invading their jungle. Really hilarious if you do it with Mundo since his Q's hurt so much.
http://i.imgur.com/VYkejAs.png) http://i.imgur.com/8i2h43u.png)
here is mine too ... she is finally viable
i am with you
The problem with her stacks is that she is also required to have a decent amount of gold to get anything out of her passive AP increase, since she starts with no AP. So she not only has to farm stacks on enemy champions, she also needs to farm minions for the gold she needs to make those stacks matter.
don't you mean "E_E"
23 stacks later... SHIT ON ALL THE SQUISHIES!
Too bad the game ended at 499 stacks.
Aren't you glad Riot Stashu understands how to make a champion fun?
That is because ADCs have crits and likely your ADC has IE and probably zeal at that point.
The compromise with the poison-increasing debuff on her E was a step in the right direction, but I still think this while rework could use some actual good dialogue. Meaning, Stashu sticks around for more than a post or two, and the rest talking to him try their best to sound like the mature, educated people I desperately hope they are.
In those ARAM games, everything is possible... but you would still need that 500 to fully benefit from that passive.
once she gets her stacks omfg....so stronka wonka
i do agree most cass players get rekt though but that one cass rekt me so hard when she got her stacks.
I feel this says more about marksmen than Cassiopeia.
If you rush grail or some stupid thing that became fotm build of course you are going to deal less damage. I played a game where i was 1x2 the 2 enemy carries.
People think that all mages are burst, and that is why we see so many bad Azir, Ahri and Lissandra.
I would say Cass is stronger than ever, her Q is now the first thing to max, since her fang gives 40% extra damage. If you desagree, think about Malzahar, if you max Q instead of E first, you don't deserve to play with him.
For me, max Q 1st is a trap noob from stashu. Without 250 stacks, it got stupid cooldown, i can shoot 3 E every 1 Q. Lets see the dmg at lv 5.
Max Q: 217 + (0.63AP) + 3x(55 + (0.55AP)) = 382 + 2.28AP Max E: 105 + (0.63AP) + 3x(105 + (0.55AP)) = 420 + 2.28AP
Since he fixed the bonus move speed of Q, i rather max W over Q, W helps me control the target in position for easy Q landing.