477 passive stacks cassiopeia at 19:47

7thHeaven··32 votes·3,617 views

I still do less dmg than our ADC. Q_Q

Edit: And the game ends before 20:00

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Kowe The Ewok21 votes

Meh, while I consider her gameplay worse than pre patch I consider her fine now (balance wise). (Old Cassiopeia main here)

My last 2 matches: http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1874344916/22014328?tab=overview 16 / 2 / 11** victory**

http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1874344177/22014328?tab=overview 24 / 7 / 13 victory

I can give you my runes / masteries if you want

EDIT:

http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1874795748/22014328?tab=overview 15 / 5 / 12 victory

EDIT 2: 9 / 6 / 6 LOSS :( So I'm showing all my Cass game stoday. Here's a loss. (Dealt twice as much damage as the next member of our team) ( Well, I dare say I'm not to blame. I had 110 CS when Ori had 55 and was 3/1. Sadly Rek Sai snowballed hard and won them the game (top gates open at 13 minutes...) http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1874892097/22014328

Edit 3: http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1875558461/22014328 9 / 2 / 3 victory ** I have to admit that most of my kills this game were thanks to a really great jungler. Honor to whom honor is due.**

Edit 4: http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1875569212/22014328?tab=stats

14/11/12 victory AGAINST 3 Diamond players! (see attachment) Really a difficult but good game, we made it. :) Luckily me and Vayne both were realtively fed and they couldn't take out more than 1 of us per fight.

Edit 5: 5/1/3 victory Support Cassiopeia http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1879266258/22014328?tab=overview

Edit 6: 5/3/2 victory (started 3/1 and denied top pretty hard... than I got ganked by 5 guys... TWICE) http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1880261860/22014328?tab=overview

Edit 7: 23/11/12 victory http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1883107518/22014328 Not a special match but really long and tough against a fed Irelia and a fed Fizz. The damage dealt to champions speaks for itself though.

Edit 7: 11 / 6 / 13 victory http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1885003352/22014328 (Really a tough match since the enemy Kat got a tripple 8 minutes in the game at drake)

Edit 8: 22 / 12 / 8 victory http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1885315401/22014328 (What a game... I have extreme respect for AP Sona + Sion Wombo Combo now)

Edit 9: 20 / 11 / 15 LOSS http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1886151919/22014328

Edit 10: 13 / 2 / 9 victory http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1886237470/22014328

Edit 11: 14 / 10 / 9 LOSS. Thanks to a 3 man premade who started intentional feeding, led by an Ezreal who spent his time insulting, flaming and threatening us with fake reports. (Sadly, we definitely could have won if it wasn't for this.. What's an accurate term for such people? Scum seems fitting) http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1888685033/22014328?tab=overview

Edit 12: 10 / 8 / 7 LOSS http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1898950772/22014328?tab=overview

Edit 13: 14/4/12 victory http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1899104857/22014328?tab=overview

Edit 14: 13/3/13 victory http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1900609586/22014328?tab=overview

Edit 15: 5 / 11 / 7 LOSS (Support Cassiopeia) My first negative Cassiopeia round. A really unenjoyable round, Graves had huge ping spikes meaning we lost sure won battles at bot. The enemies noticed his DCs and made their Shaco camp us, while the enemy GP used 4 consecutive ultimates on bot once he hit six.... Instead of help the French premade we were mixed in started flaming and insulting.... http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1903008552/22014328

RoyceRollin1 votes

I can give you my runes / masteries if you want

gimme

Kowe The Ewok2 votes

Runes: 4.5 Movementspeed 7.8 Mpen 216 Health @18 28 AP @18

Masteries (picture)

GoldenLeSpoink5 votes

Senpai got downvoted cause you said she was balanced... I upvote you dont worry bby!

Kowe The Ewok6 votes

Haha, thanks!

Yea, as I mentioned - I think her gameplay got worsened - and the removal of the speedbuff hurt her a lot. Can't say much about her damage though, you just have to be able to reliably land Q. That however is something many players who are less experienced with her can't. I used to main her so I am relatively used to it.

Btw, pro tip: If your opponent is too low for an all-in and plays too passive to force him into battle you can lasthit with E (without wasting mana on poison) to save and gain mana.

Pre rework I used to bully enemies out of lane, now I simply outsustain them. (Catalyst first item)

GoldenLeSpoink1 votes

I agree, Cassiopeia before rework was a bully in lane, but when it came down to it.... at late game she was kinda of meh. Now she can outsustain her opponent and punish them while surviving, at around late game she can go through the transition better. I think the problem is that people want her to be doing only poison dot damage rather than pressing E to reset.

Solaxo8 votes

who cares about her effectiveness. I bought Cass because I wanted to play poison mage, not E bot

Kowe The Ewok4 votes

As I mentioned - I also dislike her new gameplay, but from a balancing perspective she is fine now. One gotta be honest.

killd0zer2 votes

Then why did you buy Cassiopea at any point in time ever? She's always been an E spammer. They used to call her an AP Carry back when "AD" was the colloquial name for what we now call ADC or Marksman. The term "Burst DPS" was also used a lot

Tapu Fini5 votes

Did you even play the old Cass? E has always been the all in/maximize dps spell. She much preferred to sit back and throw poisons to whittle people down before even attempting to fang.

killd0zer2 votes

Apparently poking before a teamfight starts is a Cassiopea exclusive trait. Lots of champions that can all in have poke abilities, especially mages.

Cassiopeia's defining trait has always been her higher DPS compared to most champions burst.

Kowe The Ewok2 votes

The old Cass could be played in several ways, she wasn't anywhere near as limited as she is today. Actually (back when Q had a 0.9 ratio) playing her as a poker instead of "a machine gun" had much better performance (E also had higher base damage at that point, so leveling it up early wasn't that important)

5G8Nri0B545 votes

I kinda pretty much sorta agree. Although I'll point out how retarded it is how I've only ever had ONE game out of all my 4.21 Cass games where my 500 Stacks actually got some gameplays. All other games ended the moment I reached 500. "OMFG their Lucian got FB gg no re Surrender@20!" or the enemy surrender the moment you took out a single inner turret.

Although that may fall more in line with gameplay. I know her Passive is a big source of her gameplay problem.


Either way, the controversy over her rework has way more to do with gameplay than balance. Balancing is "easy" relatively speaking. What the rework is failing horribly at is her gameplay...

The obvious issue here is so many people are incapable of telling the difference between "Viable" and "Fun" or "Satisfying" or "Thematically Consistent"...

Kowe The Ewok1 votes

One tip:

Try to fake-invade at level 1. Within the brawl you usually get a few stacks which allow you to hit 100 stacks earlier, making your lane more enjoyable further leading into easier stack generation.

5G8Nri0B542 votes

Yeah I pretty much do that anyways even without being Cass. Throw a long ranged spell or two until your opponents overreact and burns or a flash or rearrange their entire formation thinking I'm invading their jungle. Really hilarious if you do it with Mundo since his Q's hurt so much.

chriserit1 votes

http://i.imgur.com/VYkejAs.png) http://i.imgur.com/8i2h43u.png)

here is mine too ... she is finally viable

i am with you

Hellioning7 votes

The problem with her stacks is that she is also required to have a decent amount of gold to get anything out of her passive AP increase, since she starts with no AP. So she not only has to farm stacks on enemy champions, she also needs to farm minions for the gold she needs to make those stacks matter.

ImHerVoice6 votes

don't you mean "E_E"

Meep Man4 votes

23 stacks later... SHIT ON ALL THE SQUISHIES!

Jamnon2 votes

Too bad the game ended at 499 stacks.

Jamnon3 votes

Aren't you glad Riot Stashu understands how to make a champion fun?

Jamaree2 votes

That is because ADCs have crits and likely your ADC has IE and probably zeal at that point.

Wheatloaf2 votes

The compromise with the poison-increasing debuff on her E was a step in the right direction, but I still think this while rework could use some actual good dialogue. Meaning, Stashu sticks around for more than a post or two, and the rest talking to him try their best to sound like the mature, educated people I desperately hope they are.

The Queen Viper1 votes

In those ARAM games, everything is possible... but you would still need that 500 to fully benefit from that passive.

Silverthane1 votes

once she gets her stacks omfg....so stronka wonka

i do agree most cass players get rekt though but that one cass rekt me so hard when she got her stacks.

Solidair31 votes

I feel this says more about marksmen than Cassiopeia.

juaumzitus1 votes

If you rush grail or some stupid thing that became fotm build of course you are going to deal less damage. I played a game where i was 1x2 the 2 enemy carries.

People think that all mages are burst, and that is why we see so many bad Azir, Ahri and Lissandra.

I would say Cass is stronger than ever, her Q is now the first thing to max, since her fang gives 40% extra damage. If you desagree, think about Malzahar, if you max Q instead of E first, you don't deserve to play with him.

7thHeaven1 votes

For me, max Q 1st is a trap noob from stashu. Without 250 stacks, it got stupid cooldown, i can shoot 3 E every 1 Q. Lets see the dmg at lv 5.

Max Q: 217 + (0.63AP) + 3x(55 + (0.55AP)) = 382 + 2.28AP Max E: 105 + (0.63AP) + 3x(105 + (0.55AP)) = 420 + 2.28AP

Since he fixed the bonus move speed of Q, i rather max W over Q, W helps me control the target in position for easy Q landing.

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