FIZZ NEEDS A NERF (or please help me understand the counterplay)

Jakkura·4/10/2017, 3:13:58 AM·3 votes·1,806 views

I just got matched with a Fizz, and his kit is unbearable to play against.

The mix of Seastone Trident applying on all abilites, being able to sustain his mana with W, and activate it for more damage, becoming UNTARGETABLE on a VERY short cooldown, and applying bleed to all enemies dashed through with Q and ult is ridiculous.

That's a hell of a kit, and I really don't see the counterplay. Magic resist doesn't seem to help, and Health is even worse. Can someone either nerf this champion or tell me where the counterplay is?

BTW he also went 24/3. Not seeing much balance in that score either.

6 Comments

Rustling Bush4/10/2017, 3:18:25 AM3 votes

he has gotten a nerf in his latest rework, his damage is now severly delayed by that bleed effect. its similar to leblanc. also health and magic resist are worse? what? what are you smoking?

p.s. just because he beat you hard isnt a indication that he needs to be nerfed

Axzarious4/10/2017, 10:38:06 AM3 votes

When fighting fizz, you should make sure you don't die to him while also hoping to high heaven that your allies listen to your MIA pings, because as soon as he picks up a single kill, he'll be able to 100-0 you without using his entire kit. He was easier to outplay when ahead when towers actually hurt and the current keystones didn't exist.

More seriously? Fizz is an Assassin, and like any assassin, he snowballs super easy but struggles to deal any damage if he's behind. I've won more than a few fizz lanes as my main mid Lux, though that's also reliant on not dying early or having him pick up kills from a roam - but that's asking a lot from bronze-gold.

General advice I can provide is this - zone him as hard as you can, attack him with autos or abilities whenever he goes in to last hit - though remember you also want the wave near your turret. In addition, his Q - the spear dash is targeted against a unit or champion, so be aware that your own minions are potentially a source of mobility for him, and that if he DOES pass through you using it, his next E is going to hurt a TON. On another note, it does put you on the other side. Do keep in mind, however, that if you're even, his damage is still pretty disgusting.

Rushing an Hourglass might be an idea, though since his main source of damage is AP, it isn't quite as effective as it is against Zed/Yasuo/Talon, and having a runepage with flat MR blues, and maybe MR quints if you're wanting to feel extra safe might be an idea. Also, depending on your champion, rushing an abyssal might be a valid choice.

On the other end, Riot could probably improve clarity when playing against him, but having that little trident icon be visible to his opponents as well, just like how they should show the timers on the minions Yas has E'd through.

ScissorsNstuff4/10/2017, 3:27:29 AM2 votes

by the time he's got a lot of kills there wont be much you can do

the fact he was 24/3 before the game could end suggests he has a weakness even when fed since it took so long to close out

BLACK REALM GOD4/10/2017, 3:27:07 AM1 votes

ever played against zed or akali?