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The warding system is in a really bad shape at the moment

Carry This Scrub··16 votes·1,129 views

In lower elos warding is virtually non-existant and one of the main reasons for this is that the only roles able to put 3 wards simultanously are support and jungle plus in most cases the jungler will not even consider buying his ward item ("but i need to 1v1" - yeah, sure) , so it's basically only the support (again!) and only post level 9 because the ward item is so unnecessarily expensive that most supports don't buy it before (and no other role can afford to buy it without losing their lane), which is a joke especcially when you consider the reason why they limited placeable wards to 3 in the first place - "so you can't justify putting the entire burden of warding on the support anymore" - yeah that really worked out Riot, good job! m(

Why did Riot implement trinkets in the first place? They are so unbelievable useless in its current state, yeah place 1 ward for 60 seconds every 120 seconds huh? you want to place more than 1 ward? Well, fuck you mister.

Why did they remove buyable wards from the store? In my opinion that was the most retarded removal of an item of all time.

TL;DR: i want the season 4 warding system back! It was just perfect.

24 Comments

TEA Nietzsche 10 votes

I don't get that, the problem in low elo is not that people have too little wards, it is that they do not place enough of them. Also, nowadays basically no jungler buys sightstone - and rightfully so. Watch pro games, it is possible to have a lot of vision. Having more wards available won't fix that though.

And the by far most ridiculous thing about you complaining about vision wards being removed is you NOT BUYING ANY CONTROL WARDS IN HALF OF YOUR GAMES AS A SUPPORT MAIN. YOU are the reason why there is not enough vision in low elo. Why do you need more wards when you are not even able to place those that you can play?

inplane3 votes

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I don't get that, the problem in low elo is not that people have too little wards, it is that they do not place enough of them. Also, nowadays basically no jungler buys sightstone - and rightfully so. Watch pro games, it is possible to have a lot of vision. Having more wards available won't fix that though.

And the by far most ridiculous thing about you complaining about vision wards being removed is you NOT BUYING ANY CONTROL WARDS IN HALF OF YOUR GAMES AS A SUPPORT MAIN. YOU are the reason why there is not enough vision in low elo. Why do you need more wards when you are not even able to place those that you can play?

As late game comes by, people don't have enough item room to buy item 2055. People need their items so they don't get obliterated, but at the same time they need to buy wards. Riot should give item 2055 slots to every player. That way everyone can gain vision and not just the Support who has to go in and ward first. Nothing more infuriating than having to sweep and ward simply because other teammates can't do it late game.

TEA Nietzsche 3 votes

That is an entirely different issue though, OP was talking about a low elo specific problem.

Carry This Scrub1 votes

In fact i wasn't but i was more talking about laning phase

The Leo Cat1 votes

Not ranked. But depending on the jungler... buying control wards or sight stones may be a set back at some points.

My main jungler right now is Kindred. And... well unfortunately she has a rough time at the start of the game because Riot decided that the enemy should know about her goals as well.

Depending on the match up, I'll forgo Red Smite for Tracker's Knife just for the 2 extra wards. But that's only if I feel like it's safe to even try to duel the enemy jungler before my first 4 marks or a B.F. Sword.

On top of that, most of the players I play with don't actually check the map despite placing a ward. I can't tell you the number of times I've ran down a warded pathway for a gank and the enemy player hasn't retreated.

Hyrum Graff4 votes

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I don't get that, the problem in low elo is not that people have too little wards, it is that they do not place enough of them.

This, basically. I pretty commonly buy 3-7 item 2055 depending on game length when I'm playing mid lane, and usually come in just behind the support in vision score.

TEA Nietzsche 3 votes

You weren't kidding, goddamn. I'm super bad at warding so you are truly an inspiration.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

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You weren't kidding, goddamn. I'm super bad at warding so you are truly an inspiration.

It's also really funny to drop 3 pinks in a row to make sure the enemy doesn't have vision anywhere near baron. #worth

KitSun91 votes

True my one main vision sin is that I never buy control wards.

Carry This Scrub1 votes

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And the by far most ridiculous thing about you complaining about vision wards being removed is you NOT BUYING ANY CONTROL WARDS IN HALF OF YOUR GAMES AS A SUPPORT MAIN.

that is a lie i buy at least 3 control wards every game (every time i first get back) regardless of the role i'm playing, most of the time i don't even get to place all 3 of them because the ward won't be destroyed throughout the game

Edit: Also: i'm the problem here because the support is the only vision bitch on the field right?

TEA Nietzsche 1 votes

Heh, you do realize that we can all see your control wards bought on op.gg, do you? https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Bronze5Swagger In your last 20 games in you have failed to purchase a single control ward in 11 game - despite stepping your wardgame up in the last 4 games (because of my comment I presume).

That means you actually buy control wards in less than half of your games.

Carry This Scrub1 votes

op.gg is fake news

Morgan le Fey1 votes

Basically, if you have less than 1.5 ward score/minute after 15 minutes as a support, you're almost definitely doing something very wrong. Usually it should be ~2 WS/min at low elo. Also, keep 2-3 control wards in your inventory whenever you back. Seriously, it's that useful.

At low elo, just doing that is often enough to win the game. Vision is crazy-strong. When I see supports without sightstones, I weep for their teams. :(

option paralysis4 votes

item 3361 I apsolutely loved this item before when you had 250g tp spend on nothing. You bought that and you could effectively ward what the fuck you wanted if your support is shit or other people don't ward. I don't remember why they removed it, "something something nobody buys it", but I think it was just so their sweet esports don't suffer at longer game times because at lcs everyone had one, thus making the games last longer.

Carry This Scrub1 votes

fucking lcs destroyed the game for the rest of us

Zakrani3 votes

Eh, I'd have to disagree that in lower elos warding is non exsistant. I was in bronze earlier last week and I always see people warding, buying sightstone and using it, and control wards to clean out stealth wards. From what I've seen from countless "high elo" twitch streams is a lot less wards. But this is due to those people having excellent map awareness and glimpsing at their map every few seconds to see what's up. On top of placing wards in traffic zones. Now, from MY experience from being in bronze and getting into silver, (which I have to say silver players act the exact same as bronze) Is that people will place wards, and not look at their map except to ping mia's or dragon/baron.

The problem is not the wards, it's lack of map awareness.

FireDrizzle2 votes

{quoted}

"so you can't justify putting the entire burden of warding on the support anymore" - yeah that really worked out Riot, good job! m(

Before even being able to buy sightstone: Ping wards on cooldown, adc pushes up without warding, gets killed. "wtf sup no wards!"

Erockandroll1 votes

{quoted}

"so you can't justify putting the entire burden of warding on the support anymore" - yeah that really worked out Riot, good job! m(

Before even being able to buy sightstone: Ping wards on cooldown, adc pushes up without warding, gets killed. "wtf sup no wards!"

That's the other problem. No one respects the lack of vision. (Giving this unrealistic expectation that the support has to light up the map like a christmas tree.) And some times, I find that people still don't make good use of the vision already granted. (That they have no map awareness.)

As for my personal Jungle habits, I've pretty much grown out of both Stalkers blade and Skirmishers saber. (Basically, I try to use smite to speed up my Jungle clears, as well as secure objectives. So I pretty much never have it available to use on a champion. So I chose the one Item I can use while smite isn't available.) As for the whole 1v1 argument, I might buy that if your strat was to bully the enemy Jungler out of his own Jungle. Otherwise, you should never be in a 1v1, you would be ganking and creating an unbalanced fight.

And with the increased value of Rift Herald, it's become more important to have vision on that objective so you could contest. But as a Support main, I will argue that the Support can't be held responsible for that position. (Most of the time anyways) If my ADC's still laning, I'm pretty much stuck on the bottom side of the map. So getting the Jungler to focus wards on the top side, is really the only reliable way to contest that objective.

Tobias Brackner1 votes

New ward system is fine.

The problem with low elo warding is that people just don't ward or look at the minimap. This can only be solved through educating the playerbase or creating a stronger tutorial.

It Hertz When IP1 votes

Old trinkets were best trinkets.

RenownedWheat421 votes

Uh I get item 2049 item 2055 first back every time. If there's not enough vision in your own lane, get your own item 2055 as well.

Vision isn't "too expensive" - it's friggin invaluable. And 800 for item 2049 is just chump change.

If you SOLELY rely on item 3340 for your vision then that's your fault. If you don't get item 2049 till level 9 (I usually have it pre-6) then that's your fault. The game gives you options.

Carry This Scrub1 votes

Bullshit, my point wasn't that it is too expensive to buy when the gold is there but that it takes too long to get that gold.

Also i want to see the game where everyone buys a sightstone once.

RenownedWheat421 votes

Of course not everyone gets sightstone. That ain't what I said. Pay attention.

You have both item 3340 anditem 2055 as options to have two wards up at once. This is more than enough. In top, you get full vision of river. In mid, you get either side of the river. Junglers can keep vision of their own jungle or get deep wards. Bot lane should be able to put out six total wards.

There isn't a lack of vision at all. People just aren't using it.

TheEvilQueen1351 votes

as a sup main i always get sightstone/control wards back 1/2. and I agree that often in low elo people do not ward but it's not because they don't have it available. all too often i see my adc and other roles just sit on their full ward totem and never use it. sometimes i have gotten raged at by my adcs for asking them to ward since I'm out and don't have sightstone yet. people need to understand that EVERYONE needs to ward and that they have the totem, use it.

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