No Flash = Troll?
In every champ select i get into everyone is crying like little kids because i play without flash and then they start to call me a troll, so am i a troll just for playing without flash or is it a bannable offense?
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Lyndris12 votesNo it is not troll, nor bannable, as some champs, shaco 
or udyr and hec 
are every common. And many fighters can make better use of over and mostly being top lane 
is often taken. Just my two bits
rework trundle4 votesMany? Nearly every champion takes Flash, Ghost was nerfed a while ago (but not Flash somehow).
Udyr takes Flash in 85% of games, Hec 9%, Shaco 11%, Singed 24%.
Lyndris1 votesi understand that, note the FIGHTERS after. I tend to prefer it for people who require stickyness over clutch plays
Asayake 5150glow3 votes[{quoted}](name=le un le seul,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6RtT5L7c,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-07-05T18:21:15.921+0000)
Many? Nearly every champion takes Flash, Ghost was nerfed a while ago (but not Flash somehow).
Udyr takes Flash in 85% of games, Hec 9%, Shaco 11%, Singed 24%.
I'm not sure how your point is that most people take flash over ghost, and then spout numbers like 9, 11, and 24. The Udyr comparison makes sense though.
Also, if you don't recall, Ghost was actually buffed before the nerf, in the form of cool down reduction.
rework trundle2 votesThe OP asked if Flash was a troll pick. The first answer (@Mystic Lyn) said that many fighters take ghost over flash. I emphasized on the word many, first because it's very rare (from what I remember of my last ~50 games), second because these champs are probably the ones with the highest non-flash summoners pick rate (and it's not even high, compared to 115 champions who run Flash in 99,5% games). The numbers are taken from na.op.gg.
OyddAWqJ5r1 votesWe can blame all the mid mages for that one. Orianna and Syndra with their lack of spellcast movement locks mainly since they could ghost and spam spells unhindered.
It's for the best but it's sad alot of champs that needed it lost Ghost because mid laners could abuse it.
HalcyonDweller8 votesYour teammates are just meta slaves. Do what works for you, if it's working then there's no reason to change it, especially not because some toddlers threw a fit that you won't do what they want.
No it's not reportable. You should be fine, the reform system won't punish you just for playing differently than others.
SanKakU3 votesNot taking flash means your allies can flash and expect you to die when they've left the fight. Pretty much the best reason IMO to take it if you otherwise don't like it. If less people took flash, I think the players on average would be less selfish.
Truth is some people use their flash too often and then get hooked into all these CDR builds that aren't that great on some champions.
Tobias Brackner3 votesThey are metaslave babies who don't understand the game beyond imitation. Mute and report if they are flaming you.
KotetsuTatsumaki3 votesI run 
and 
on 
. If I'm warding properly and managing the heals, and sticking to the back lines until I'm needed in the fray, I find myself often not needing the flash. I also buy swiftness boots so that helps a bit on her.
Colton1472 votesYou are welcome to play the way you want. :)
Certain champions are commonly seen without flash (Hecarim, Singed for example), so it is definitely not a form of trolling. :)
Syruponrofls2 votesFlash is just to useful to not have. Not saying its bannable cause thats just ridiculous, but I pretty much never see anyone not take flash.
Mysticman892 votesOn the vast majority of champions, not having flash is almost certainly suboptimal. A handful of champions might prefer ghost/ignite or ghost/smite or smite/ignite or ghost/tp, but they're pretty uncommon. Glancing at your match history, I'd say you're making a poor choice in choosing exhaust over flash in the vast majority of cases.
That said though, as long as you're legitimately trying to win, making poor decisions around your summoner choice isn't something you're going to be banned for. (Note that riot is pretty good at figuring out trolling from just being bad, so if you actually do know better and are just role playing a bronze 5 and intentionally making poor decisions, then it could still qualify as trolling and punishable in that regard.)
Tobias Brackner1 votesNot at all. Most of the time, Flash is taken as a get out of jail free card. I've found that there are surprisingly few champions that can use flash for #LCSBigPlays. Most of the time it's flash to get a single kill or to escape something.
Mysticman892 votesThat doesn't seem to disagree with what I said?
It's not that you need/want flash for #LCSBigPlays (although those are cool and maybe even the slim chance of those is worth the highs), it's that having that get out of jail free card is really useful compared to the alternatives (which are producing the same or even less big play potential).
Tobias Brackner2 votesOr you can play like you don't need a get out of jail free card.
Especially in a meta where your get out of jail free card is matched by their get out of jail free card.
And that's not even getting into champs where they already have a get out of jail free card.
Mysticman892 votesThen you're lying to yourself and needlessly handicapping yourself on top of that. If you're bronze, you make mistakes, a lot of mistakes, and will repeatedly be 'going to jail'. Even if you're a challenger, you do make mistakes sometimes, and having that escape is super important since enemies at that level are going to capitalize on those mistakes that much harder (and also take advantage of their flash advantage). Most people are somewhere in between, but If you play like you're perfect and never will need to get out of trouble, theres a very good chance you'll be punished for your delusions.
The champs that have built in escapes are often the examples who can get away with not taking flash.
Besides, you have to take two summoners. All of them do something useful in the right situations, it's just a matter of which situations come up the most and figuring out what is most broadly useful. Everyone is free to draw their own conclusions of course, which is why not taking flash isn't something that is inherently punishable as trolling, but it's unlikely to be a coincidence that pretty much every high elo player (and tbh even the majority of low-mid elo players too) finds flash optimal outside of a handful of specific exception champions.
Tobias Brackner2 votesNah, a lot of my mistakes are lack of specific matchup knowledge and not focusing on my own gameplay. Positioning I'm really golden on. I'd rather focus on my positioning and have have other summoners that allow for more options aside from my own escape tool.
And it's not so much playing perfect, but making better use of the other summoners rather than escaping with Flash. (Exhaust, for example, can not only protect yourself, but also your allies more than Flash can.)
King of Mongoose2 votesno flash= bronze
Carry This Scrub1 votesbronze is best league there is :)
Shadow Hazard2 votesexhaust, smite, relic shield nunu. I would definitely call that trolling. barrier, janna, THE SHIELDING support, that is report heal on soraka, THE HEALING support. that is a report
This may be mean, but you legitimately need to learn to play. Your actions are blatantly taking wasteful actions and holding your team back and actively making it worse to play for them. Not only that but a clear showing that it is a repeated action would look like trolling to me.
Easy answer. Yes you are trolling. If you want to keep playing like that, go into blind normals, stop ruining the game for the others who have to deal with u.
Ariel the Cruel1 votes. If you want to keep playing like that, go into blind normals, stop ruining the game for the others who have to deal with u.
Logic error: Would still be playing with others, ;p
Legacy Hydralpha1 votesShhh, he's ranting like he knows what he's talking about. He temporarily won't understand logic.
volvagia461 votesthere are high level soraka players that take heal fyi
Carry This Scrub1 voteswhat's wrong about relic shield?
BabyNaix2 votesI actually never take flash. It's too easy to panic and flash the wrong way. I find heal, exhaust, or ghost much more useful.
Scary Door2 votesThe problem with Flash is that it is simply mandatory on every champ because everyone else has it.
Sure, you can chose not to take it but you are putting yourself at a decided disadvantage. Riot claims that they hate when certain aspects of the game become overbearing or they'll talk about how some items/abilities "crowd out" others, well... what about Flash, it's literally been the most popular summoner spell since day one and that hasn't changed. At this point we ought to have it as a permanent spell and allow us to have two different summoner spells.
Carry This Scrub1 votesI really like this solution
bloodybadger12 votesjust play. let them cry.
archerno11 votesWell, its not banable but u are putting yourself in disadvantage on certain champions. Its ok if u do it on Shaco, Evelynn... but if u do it on immobile champions its really dangerous. For example u do it on Nunu or Ivern who are junglers that excel at invades. And invading without flash is risky. But considering u are in Bronze u are fine. They dont know how to punish it. But i just wanna point out your horrible winrates on Ivern and Bard and that u average 8 deaths per game with Bard. Maybe if u had Flash u wouldnt do so horrendous.
Shuyin1781 votes
and (sometimes) 
commonly take Ghost over Flash.
archerno11 votes
Heca, Olaf, Udyr yes. Volibear no.
Shuyin1781 votesUm yes on Volibear. You've clearly never watched people that have a clue on Voli if you don't know that. You take it and use it when ganking, saving your flip for after they flash or what not.
Paroe1 votes@thread If youre playing ranked without flash, then yes that could be considered trolling. If youre playing normals without flash, youre fine.
tbh though flash needs to be made a basic spell like recall. It is WAY to "integral" to the game for it not to be and has - for years - crowded out EVERY other summoner spell.
DJMason881 votesNo, but it does help a lot (depending on who you are playing) For example, it isn't completely needed on champs like Hec, Shaco, Singed, and to a lesser extent, Udyr, Nasus, Darius or Shyvana. Who either work/interact better with another spell (usually ) or already have something like flash (think Shaco q or Shyvana r). And if you're playing an already Immobile/ doesn't interact with MS champ, you def. lose out a bit. Not reportable, but not something id recommend.
6Sfool1 votesQuestion is, why aren't you taking flash? If you think that you're better off with another summoner spell go ahead, but if you're skipping flash on a champion that really needs it you're dragging your team down. And don't say it's a matter of preference, that's the same as saying you won't level up your ult until level 16 because you'd rather have the other spells, and that's just trolling.
I truly don't mind how crazy off-meta you feel like going, but there are some optimal choices that you make regardless, and usually taking flash is one of them.
Shuyin1781 votesChampions like Hecarim, Olaf, Udyr, Volibear, and (depending on playstyle) Trundle take Ghost over flash because it helps them so much more with the bonus movement speed.
If said champions are top lane it's common to see them take Flash-Ghost instead of Flash-Teleport/Ignite instead.
TimX24968B1 votesgotta try ghost on trundle, now that you mention it. I try to take it on olaf but i forget most of the time.
Ariel the Cruel1 votes
PresidentPeewee1 votesI'm surprised Olaf wasn't mentioned in champs but who don't take flash
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesthere are even riot players who do not use flash. if you get banned they get banned.
ChaoticPinecone1 votesI dont think its bannable, but it could be pretty troll. It all depends on what you get instead.
? Not so troll.
? Not so troll
? Not so troll
on splitpushers? Not so troll.
? Yeah - a bit troll.
AlienPrimate1 votesRIP
It is only on ARAM now. When I was first learning to play Galio I used to take clarity. It was hard to learn to manage his mana and clarity really helped until I was better with him. I kind of wish they didn't remove clarity because there are some champions I would still use it on.
Carry This Scrub1 votesA minute of silence for clarity
AlienPrimate1 votesI'm actually slowly moving to ghost on a lot of top laners because the 3 minute cooldown instead of 5 minute cooldown.
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