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PBE 9.3 Aatrox Changes + Other ("Small Rant")

DarkSamus2456·2/5/2019, 11:09:09 AM·32 votes·15,838 views

Have you guys actually seen the shit their doing to Aatrox? wtf is this?

HP regen growth increased from .05 to .15 Base HP5 increased from 5 to 8 Umbral Dash (E) Now only heals on damage to champions No longer has charges Cooldown lowered from 26/22/18/14/10 to 9/8/7/6/5

Why are you nerfing the heal only to affect champions and the compensation is extra regen and base Hp, come on rlly? In his pre-rework state he was a life steal monster that healed a shit ton and you removed that aspect (+ lets not forget everything else except that reviving aspect built into his kit) in the rework to be basically next to nothing compared to his pre-rework state, so at the least you could keep his miniature heal to affect everything?

Not to mention why are you removing Umbral Dash (e) charges, you do realize doing this will completely screw up most his combos and compensating him by giving him low cd is not enough. I mean look at this vid of Aatrox combo's, if these nerfs hit i can't perform jackshit :

(I know people don't get Rav Hydra anymore but you could still take it out and carry out the combo fine) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rhfh17E2kk&t=117s.

So what does this mean overall if these nerf's hit? Aatrox will just be absolute garbage tier.

Why? Just because of our fellow people at Riot with their very smart decision making (HUR DUR DUR, WE RIOT, WE VERY SMART), look at this winrate, play rate and ban rate:

Win Rate: 45.80% Play Rate: 2.64% Ban Rate: 2.94%

Do these numbers show that hes a strong pick and need nerfs? No of fucking course all Riot is doing is trying to patch for the league pro play and not giving 1 fuck for the people who pick him in solo queue. I mean can't you find other shit to nerf? i mean there are pretty blatant obvious strong picks COUGH COUGH:

  1. Xin Zhao; Win Rate: 50.84%, Play Rate: 8.40%,
  1. Vayne; Win Rate: 50.81%, Play Rate: 12.22%,
  2. Lucian; Win Rate: 50.78%, Play Rate: 14.95%

I mean look at these disgusting win rates on these fucking play rates, COME ON just nerf these fuckers not Aatrox. But nope Riot doesn't give a damn and until the community complain even more then they are already to get a nerf they'll continue being ignorant.

So If you're actually going let these nerfs go through just revert Aatrox back to his old state cause no one wants to play a useless champ or just delete the champ from the champion pool.

(Might be to late for this but eh . . . I'm still salty about it, i mean why couldn't you keep the old Aatrox i mean you could have just created another champ and given this kit but instead you ruined Aatrox and butchered him into something that doesn't resemble anything to Aatrox.)

P.S: Posting this on an alt account, cause i always have that feeling that Riot gonna snipe me down for what i say ;)

Edit: R.I.P ma boi, the nerf has hit live servers :'''''''''''( [zombie-nunu-bummed] [zombie-nunu-tears] [sg-janna] [sg-soraka] [cass-cry]

78 Comments

iDarkWind2/5/2019, 12:16:58 PM22 votes

The E change is disgusting. I can't understand how we're supposed to hit more than one Q now.

Daddy Ants2/5/2019, 12:16:05 PM18 votes

I dunno about anyone else but I'm sick of seeing Aatrox vs Urgot in pro play.

It's been the same boring shit since worlds.

Oh man they picked Aatrox, let's take Urgot.

Wild Geese2/5/2019, 4:26:09 PM11 votes

Meddler is defending the way Aatrox, Irelia, and Akali are being nerfed (hacked apart), by saying they did the same thing to Zoe.

This is simply not the case, and delusional. They did remove some passives from Zoe's kit sure (Trouble Bubble CDR reduction, Q applying More Sparkles) - But those were not really tied to her core gameplay pattern. Zoe can still use the same combos she did at launch (they do less damage, are harder to do, but they're the same).

The balance team should never have to be a design team, and that's what they're going to do - they are redesigning champions with nerfs and buffs at this point, ridiculous. I have no idea how they plan to make these champions playable after this. They needed nerfs but it seems reckless.

DUDE BRO2/5/2019, 4:54:04 PM9 votes

Imo 2 dash charges are flat out required to stick his Q's. People aren't stupid, they know what's coming and can dodge them very easily. In my experience, not having the dash to quickly reposition usually makes the 2nd and 3rd hit extremely hard to land vs many enemies.

PaffWasTaken2/6/2019, 12:02:59 AM8 votes

That thing doesn't deserves to be named Aatrox. No way in hell something who can't heal back the damage of a single auto by doing a full blown combo and animation cancel on an enemy champion while being supposed to be a "sustain" champion deserves the name of Aatrox. That thing is just a garbage version of Riven now. Just give us back the actual champion you were supposed to rework Riot, not remove.

pogcorn2/5/2019, 6:01:51 PM8 votes

Aatrox main here, I wouldn't mind they gutting E charge or healing, it's a bit too much nerf and I would rather they choose one. E healing was really only useful for laning and a joke outside of laning. E charge removal will definitely make him weaker in lane and less functional in team fights with lower CD.

I think they need to compensate the changes by reverting the previous damage nerfs to Q and duration to R. Those things make aatrox really unfun to play. They also need to add more scaling to passive cooldown/damage. As well as better scaling R consider the champion now has weaker early and late game. Aatrox is a early game champion and requires snowball. He is extremely useless if he doesn't snowball Currently riot is steering aatrox toward a different play style as they encourage more trading early game. They kind of want aatrox to still be snowbally champ, but more difficult doing so. They also intend to give aatrox arguably better late game in terms of having more mobility but didn't realize they gated the late game power by removing charges. They completely forgot the entire champion solely depends on one single ability to function and previously nerfs had different goals in mind than what they are currently trying to achieve. They pulled 9.2 and 9.3 changes consecutively before seeing stats of 9.1 aatrox in pros. (sub 50% win rate btw) Their live design team has no imagination at all to change champions in a more meaningful way. Add this subtract that is the best they can do when it comes to champion balancing

It's like Riot woke up from a concussion from playing all day of football without wearing helmets, forgetting previous changes or what the champion aatrox even is, but tunnel visioned on changing aatrox only to make it worse thinking it would be better. And these people are paid real money

DanionVibit2/5/2019, 12:14:27 PM7 votes

+1

Sir Saltarin2/5/2019, 1:13:05 PM7 votes

Oh no now my busted champ wont be busted.

Tired of seeing all Ayaytrox every game on pro play

Requiemsfire2/5/2019, 4:02:19 PM7 votes

If that E change goes through half of Aatrox's kit is pretty much gutted, it'll be so hard to trade in laning phase, and landing a second Q would be virtually impossible provided your opponent doesn't spontaneously suffer a stroke. with 40% CDR and maxed out E he'll have a lock out time of 3 seconds at minimum between E's while his Q times out after 4 seconds giving you a total of 1 second window to use it provided your opponent hasn't already escaped your range or killed you straight up. Be like wow that HP regen and extra HP per level will totally help when he basically isn't a champion.

agac42342/5/2019, 7:32:01 PM7 votes

lets not even talk about the akali changes. she has a 43% win rate and they are nerfing her even more. with out giving her anything back like wtf? why the fuck do i even play this game anymore when riot doesnt give a fuck about the champions that they create. like why the fuck did akali have to be this OP AF champion when she wasnt even that good pre rework. and now i cant even fucking play akali because how garabge she is and she sgoing to be even worse when the new nerfs come in

Vlada Cut2/5/2019, 4:44:59 PM6 votes

wtf. WTF RIOT YOU ARE EVEN A BIGGER JOKE THAN I THOUGHT YOU WERE. Do you even remember why you gave him dash charges on the first place?! So he cam fri king hit people with his imnovable Q's. Reducing it's CD won't make up for hin being guaranteed to miss one of his 2 important Q's which are Q2 and Q3 AND it will make Q E combo even clunkier with that 0.5 seconds gap as if his animation cancels weren't clunky enough. Removing healing from minions? Gj might as well remove it from Rhaast too then since his healing was ALWAYS more superior than Aatrox's. Your balance team sucks. Fire them.

feintfiend2/5/2019, 1:41:06 PM6 votes

I really like Aatrox and hate how all these deluded people just want him gutten and forgotten. He needs a minirework not a gutting like this but people see pro play and freak out even though he has a low pickrate in soloQ and an abhorrent top winrate.

Ragnaveil2/6/2019, 6:29:04 AM5 votes

This reminds me of when they nerfed old aatrox when he was "too good". Hit him with a literal hammer and left him for dead pending a rework that is now repeating the cycle. This is what you get for loading so much damage on one spell so its the focal point of the kit Riot.

Wild Geese2/5/2019, 7:27:30 PM5 votes

They should rework Aatrox again at this point, like what do they do from here? Buff his numbers? Only way I can see is if they let him move on his Q Camille-Style, which is what people were asking for on the first place. But then the E becomes mostly pointless. I was asking for him to move on Q, but after playing him I saw the E was basically the entire way to enable him to play and being immobile in Q was the point of him due to the dash.

And then, moving on Q would probably feel incredibly weird and could be too strong.

Anchorit Wracaj2/5/2019, 6:28:35 PM4 votes

Seriously,stop nerfing champions cause of pro play. Tahm kench,sejuani,braum.They all got gutted due of pro play. Don't touch aatrox for god sake. We have bigger problems in game.

CRIMSONFKR2/5/2019, 9:23:48 PM3 votes

Wow just start maining this champion this season and now he gutted, E heal I never seen much as a problem as it not real noticeable early game, especially in the laning phase. I would be fine seeing that being tone down, but my real gripe is the no charge on E, this is the one ability he needs the most and allow him to hit his q( that is super easy to dodge especially with skirmishers) now I have to be super conservative using it if I need to follow up on the Q2 or Q3, or re-position myself if someone get past my sweet spot.

This is a horrible nerf, I don't why bring a chainaxe when you need a scalpel if you want to nerf him.

MrGerund2/5/2019, 5:37:45 PM3 votes

welp, time to take a downvote bomb i guess:

okay so aatrox isn't in an op spot but riot has still been nerfing damage overall in the past patch or so, why can't you be happy with that? we all want damage to be lowered, but once a champion gets touched everybody is gonna cry out it being of no good...?

there are no solutions for anything when things are like this.

BeepBoop782/5/2019, 8:41:48 PM3 votes

So you just don't get to e-1stq to attack any more because they can just walk away. You can only get kills if they're stupid enough to walk into you. I love this champion but this seams absurdly harsh just for pro play

Jinzo best card2/5/2019, 12:48:12 PM3 votes

Nerf all big chungus champs

Shrîke2/6/2019, 6:32:21 AM3 votes

Both Aatrox ans Akali got massively gutted. Riot thrives in gutting champions and leaving them to rot until they decide what to do them.

Maggi O Meter2/6/2019, 10:08:30 AM2 votes

God every 2 patch notes nerfs or buffs. just revert him already....

TyroneWatermelon2/5/2019, 5:22:46 PM2 votes

considering the fact that removing his E charges will kill off the champion alone because of Q unreliability, is healing adjustment really a problem?

SiG DxD2/5/2019, 10:35:05 PM2 votes

disgusting

bluefire mark 22/5/2019, 11:30:31 PM2 votes

Aatrox is picked LESS than akali is and he is this is before the nerfs his live. Now that they hit live, that'll drop to like 1% pick rate and garuntee you next patch they'll be like "we're removing 5 movespeed." But more hopefully it'll be a buff next patch...

Bisaknosp2/6/2019, 1:15:59 AM1 votes

good deserves to be in the gutter for the entirety of s9 same as akali