Log in and win all my games, other lanes collapse to fights, people show up, have good competition. Then log in the next day, every game people can't play their role, don't collapse, lose every game, same elo?
Can we talk about why RIOT designs it this way?
Quepha51 votesWhat do you want to see in the next patch notes? Something like this?
Usability issues:
It turned out that some players were seeing high and low streaks due to the nature of random elements in both the game and their mentality from day to day so we have adjusted the fundamental rules of the universe to ensure that the balance from variance is far more localized. It's kinda complex to explain but in the most basic terms you can remember that coin flips will now tend towards a Heads - Tails - Heads - Tails pattern compared to streaks of Heads or streaks of Tails and extrapolate that sense to all elements of your daily life, including League of Legends.
nice table26 votesit's not actually due to the random elements though, riots matchmaking works so that after a win streak you get worse teams to balance out the win ratio.
Quepha6 votes[{quoted}](name=Cuck Gore,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AByipKfh,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2017-01-13T04:21:45.709+0000)
riots matchmaking works so that after a win streak you get worse teams to balance out the win ratio.
This is a lie.
iamthegoatofwar19 votesNope they've stated that's how it works
iamthegoatofwar12 votesno child i am not how long have you been around?
TricolorStar15 votesSource it then
Papa Andrei9 votesDO you have a source for this or is it just " i saw a guy say this so it must be true"
Quepha9 votesno child i am not how long have you been around?
Thresh patch. Show me the red post I missed in the last 4 years where a Rioter admitted that the system works in a way that is diametrically opposed to their official information on the matchmaking system found here: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752954-Matchmaking-Guide#q1
nice table3 voteswell you are right about him lying, you aren't right about me lying though.
of course riot would never state this due to the shitstorm it would cause but it is indeed the case same as for many other "forced 50%" matchmaking systems. i cant link you to a statement by riot but i can tell you that this is the only explanation to some statistics.
Gregor Gysi5 votesForced 50%? Yes, the matchmaking system tries to force you to have a 50% winratio (if you play enough). But it doesn't do this by matching you with worse teams, it does it by matching you with better/worse players in both teams. If you have a G1 MMR and win 10 games in a row in one day then the system thinks you play on P4 level. Therefore it will match you with players who average P4 in both teams. But seeing how form depends on the day and you may have simply had a super great day but are unable to play at P4 niveau. That means on the next day when you play at G1 niveau again it's very likely that you lose a few games so that your MMR drops from P4-G1.
But seeing how most people tend to seek faults in their teammates rather then themselves they get the impression that not them, but their teams got worse. Riot has no interest in manipulating your winratio, why would they?
Weasel Kensei3 votesHey, here is a match I was in after a win. Rito decided, "Oh you won a match Weasel, well its time you LOSE a match then.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2398354940/225715083?tab=stats
Me, AND the enemy team agreed that I was the only person on my team... the others were probably bots.
Now, ur telling me that after a win or two... Its ME that cant play at the new MMR? Can you explain how I was given 4 other players who just cant manage anything? That Ekko... just went HAM on Aatrox over and over. Never got a single gank from that Malphite and still won my lane and kept bot aflot. Nearly all of my deaths came from trying to turn back constant sieges and Aatrox managing to sneak up on me. Him being super fed from Ekko made even 1v1 vs him nearly impossible. Even then I was positive KDA most of the match and got most of my kills from people coming mid to to try and shut me down.
That match was a total joke.
I believe, like other people do, I got that match as a guaranteed loss to counteract my previous win. My teamates were the bottom of the barrel at the time that match was put together and it was done to arbitrarily curb my prievious success.
There is no way those people belonged in a match with me, I refuse to believe it. The enemy team wasnt very good either... but they were fed from the massive incompetence of every other lane and jg. There is no other way to look at it than I was sandbagged by Rito match making.
Gregor Gysi3 votes[{quoted}](name=Weasel Kensei,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AByipKfh,comment-id=00060000000000000000000100000002,timestamp=2017-01-13T14:04:08.049+0000)
Hey, here is a match I was in after a win. Rito decided, "Oh you won a match Weasel, well its time you LOSE a match then.
You can't win every single game. There are indeed games in which your teammates play like boosted bonobos, but that's just bad luck. That Aatrox on the enemy team that went 18/2? Well, he went 1/11/3 two days before - playing the exact same elo. The Ekko that got crushed? Well, he went 11/3 two days before.
Even the whole of Riot desperately wanted to ruin your, Weasel Kensei's, day, it couldn't have known that the match would turn out like it did.
Now, ur telling me that after a win or two... Its ME that cant play at the new MMR? Can you explain how I was given 4 other players who just cant manage anything? That Ekko... just went HAM on Aatrox over and over. Never got a single gank from that Malphite and still won my lane and kept bot aflot. Nearly all of my deaths came from trying to turn back constant sieges and Aatrox managing to sneak up on me. Him being super fed from Ekko made even 1v1 vs him nearly impossible. Even then I was positive KDA most of the match and got most of my kills from people coming mid to to try and shut me down.
You can't win 100% of your games, that's just impossible. The people on your team just had a bad game, they aren't usually that bad.
I believe, like other people do, I got that match as a guaranteed loss to counteract my previous win. My teamates were the bottom of the barrel at the time that match was put together and it was done to arbitrarily curb my prievious success.
But how? Look at Ekko's match history, could you have predicted that he would suddenly go 2/13?
Of course not, it's bronze. Consistency is a strong trait that isn't to be commonly found at Bronze.
There is no way those people belonged in a match with me, I refuse to believe it. The enemy team wasnt very good either... but they were fed from the massive incompetence of every other lane and jg. There is no other way to look at it than I was sandbagged by Rito match making.
Stop being delusional, please. You went 1/8/1 not too long ago which means that your KDA was even worse than Ekko's.
Weasel Kensei1 votesI had to hunt for that 1/8/1 match, then I found it.
It was the one where I ping furiously that LeBlanc is roaming... Then she comes back to lane with 2 kills every time she does.
Good job finding a match "where I did bad" that had a lot to do with getting camped by Lee who got fed by Ekko, then I had to try to farm vs LeBlanc and Lee two of the best diving champs in the game... no really. I usualy get Ziggs when Im first pick mid and my team wont use pick intent or someone wont trade with me.
While that match wasnt that long ago, you had to scroll down a bit to find it... so I guess my consistency must be ok then. Part of why I can tell when Im being sandbagged. My team goes from normal skill level to every lane shitting the bed before the 10 minute mark.
For even more funny shit, the aforementioned Ekko with a better KDA (completely different match apples and oranges dragons) The only kills Ekko got was when someone else (one of them me) was fighting Aatrox and he managed to steal a kill.
You dont want to believe the match making rigs the games out of your favor, fine, but I guess thats just you working your confirmation bias in the opposite direction. Here no evil, speak no evil, see no evil sort of thing.
Gregor Gysi3 votesExcuses.
Where is you admitting your mistakes? What could you improve? But sure, you are the perfect player who is constantly unlucky.. Oh, I forgot, the system is rigged.
Ah yes, blame it all on Riot and stay Bronze.
Glory ln Death3 votesAnd this is why you are "trapped" in Bronze. You cage yourself with your delusions of grandeur and refusal to acknowledge your own faults.
Supreme Senpai692 votesUh I can show you my matches and the MMRs. It's true.
Quepha1 votes[{quoted}](name=Revan Senpai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AByipKfh,comment-id=000600000000000000000002,timestamp=2017-01-14T00:03:28.970+0000)
Uh I can show you my matches and the MMRs. It's true.
how would that prove that rioters have claimed the matchmaking system works in a way that is diametrically opposed to the official information given on the system?
Supreme Senpai692 votesI never said Rioter's claimed that, though I do remember them saying something about that in order to detect smurfs and keep them from climbing too easily. But I can't get the exact post, so I'm not making that claim. It wouldn't prove they said it, just that it works that way.
Quepha1 votes[{quoted}](name=Revan Senpai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AByipKfh,comment-id=00060000000000000000000200000000,timestamp=2017-01-14T02:45:49.224+0000)
I never said Rioter's claimed that, though I do remember them saying something about that in order to detect smurfs and keep them from climbing too easily. But I can't get the exact post, so I'm not making that claim. It wouldn't prove they said it, just that it works that way.
Then you need to more closely check where in the conversation you post.
I suppose you are going to have to give me a little more information since a cursory glance of your ranked solo games this season is showing no anomalous matches in terms of MMR disparity. Your 1 loss (the only streak-breaker) appears to be an especially well-balanced games in terms of MMR.
Through your normal games I see some Win-Loss-Win-Loss alterations but I also see many streaks mixed in. Particularly a 7-game win streak which seems like it would be phenomenally unlikely if part of the matchmaking system was actively working to prevent long streaks.
It appears that you are incorrect in your assessment.
Supreme Senpai692 votesWhat are you using to check the MMR? Because (I'm talking about ranked) op.GG says that I'm very obviously correct. But, different sites might show different MMRs I guess?
Quepha1 votes[{quoted}](name=Revan Senpai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AByipKfh,comment-id=0006000000000000000000020000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-14T04:46:45.767+0000)
What are you using to check the MMR? Because (I'm talking about ranked) op.GG says that I'm very obviously correct. But, different sites might show different MMRs I guess?
I'm using op.gg
Supreme Senpai692 votesSo I won two games in a row, my first ranked games if you wanna fact check. Those games I was paired with a team that had much higher MMR than me and the enemy as well. The 3rd game, a loss, felt so strange that I had to look it up. This is the 2nd game:
My top laner's MMR v the enemy top laners MMR: 1,275 v 1,169 [Difference of 106 in my favor] My mid laner's MMR v the enemy mid laners MMR: 1,399 v 1,253 [Difference of 146 in my favor] My jungler's MMR v the enemy junglers MMR: 1,288 v 1,164 [Difference of 124 in my favor]
[Total difference of 376 in my favor] [My teams MMR is 3,962] [The enemy team's MMR is 3,586]
This is the 3rd game:
My top laner's MMR v the enemy top laners MMR: 1,187 v 1,273 [Difference of 86 against me] My mid laner's MMR v the enemy mid laners MMR: 1,271 v 1,215 [Difference of 56 against me] My jungler's MMR v the enemy junglers MMR: 1,175 v 1,267 [Difference of 92 against me]
[Total difference of 234 against me] [My teams MMR is 3,633] [The enemy team's MMR is 3,755]
So my team got worse by 329 MMR after my 2nd victory in a row. The enemy team, as it should be, got better by 122 after my 2nd victory in a row. The MMR difference in teams went from +376 to -234, a difference of 610! A difference of 610 MMR between teams across the span of a single game. So quite literally, everybody on my team was worse yet everybody on the enemy team was better.
Gregor Gysi4 votesHAHA THE BOARDS NECKBEARDS UPVOTE THIS SHIT?! That's a new low, lmao. Yes, Rito is out there to make sure your winrate stays 49%, pro players are Meddler's favorites. Jesus Christ, how delusional are you.
When you go on a winning streak then you will get matched against stronger players and therefore lose, because you are not good enough. As you are a delusional whiner you will obviously not accept that you suck but rather blame it on your bad teammates. You have obviously no idea what you are talking about.
iamthegoatofwar2 votesWhen they intentionally lower my teammates MMR as well that's a clear signal that it's rigged honestly...
Gregor Gysi3 votesNot when, it's if. And they don't. They never said that and they do not have a reason to do so. When I stomped my smurf through silver I had no problems with suddenly getting "bad teams" in a row.
iamthegoatofwar2 votesThere's also nothing wrong with them upvoting the truth
Gregor Gysi4 votesYeah, but it's wrong. You haven't been able to find a source yet so stop spreading lies.
iamthegoatofwar2 votestruth does not = lie?
Gregor Gysi4 votesWell at this point you should have realized that there is no proof for your ridiculous claims and that there is no reason why Riot would do this. So you still being here and saying that it's the "truth" is pretty bold.
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesWhy riot would do this? To keep you playing, grinding. Imagine you would be at your elo in 100 games. You would most likely stop and be satisfied.
Gregor Gysi3 votesNo you wouldn't, because you wouldn't accept that it is "your elo". There is such a thing called "improvement", you know?
The very existence of smurfs disproves your weird theory. I am playing at plat level and I managed to get my smurf to plat very quickly - where has Riot's matchmaking been there? Just make a new account and try to reach your current elo, if you make it to your current elo within 100 games you will realize that you are lying to yourself and that your current elo is "your elo".
Attticus Finch2 votesSource.
Zaryelle14 votesI don't have Win/Lose Days, but it does seem to go in a pattern where I will lose for 3-4 games in a row (or have very bad game and still win), then the next 3-4 are extremely easy. I have my doubts about how the matchmaking is working when my team gets stomped 3 games in a row then it's the exact opposite 3 games in a row afterwards. Games that are actually closely matched are pretty rare
xelaker9 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr TeemoSpaceman,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AByipKfh,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-01-12T22:58:43.034+0000)
Log in and win all my games, other lanes collapse to fights, people show up, have good competition. Then log in the next day, every game people can't play their role, don't collapse, lose every game, same elo?
Can we talk about why RIOT designs it this way?
you might be my league twin man... I'll have a day where I swear my team has 7 extra fingers to qwer enemies into oblivion and the next day I'll get a team arguing over what glue tastes best....
Luner Hunter4 voteslmfao i love your reply xD fuckin glue XD
Dr TeemoSpaceman8 votesIt's absolutely too consistent to be unintentional. They have all but admitted it to me when I have emailed support. What I used to do was just log out until win day. I would not play because I cared about my ranking.
What's upsetting is that, I don't get to play.
What bothers me most though....is that it's intentional. for all my work, I cannot carry 4 people that hard. At least not these 4.
Zaryelle4 votesI don't think it's intentional, but an oversight. Something in their system adjusts too much at one time where you are matched with or against a 'worse' or 'better' team depending on your win/loss streak. It's intended so that everyone gets a ~50% win rate, but it's implemented the wrong way as many can see with the 'win streaks' and 'lose streaks' being so obvious at times.
SpongebobIsLife8 votesIt's because of riot's matchmaking system. The more you win, the more you lose. Riot's matchmaking system will actually lower your teammates mmr and increase your opponents mmr to push you further towards a 50 percent win rate.
Dynikus2 votesno they won't.
SpongebobIsLife6 votesno that is how their system works. The system tries to push you towards a 50 percent win rate. OP.gg or lolking some of your games when you go on a win streak and look at the mmr of your teammates . or lolnexus
SpongebobIsLife5 voteshaha dude im serious.
RavenMagus6 votesHe's right, you know.
That's exactly how MMR works.
The MMR system will pit you against higher opponents if you win a bunch in a row. The goal is to get you to a 50% win rate so it can match you against people in your proper league. Your actual league will catch up eventually - that's why you gain more LP than you lose sometimes, if your MMR is higher.
Phyuq Yiu2 votesYea, I wounder if it's intended for smurfs, like "okay, you've won 7 in a row, now if you can carry these shitters you are a smurf and get super elo"
Noblewind3 votesIt's just the way they need to do it. If you win a bunch of games in a row, your MMR becomes higher than the average MMR in your current division, so the system will either place you with better players altogether, or make you the highest MMR player on your team more often.
Some people don't realize what that means in terms of their own climb/improvement as a player. There's a big difference between being the middle MMR on your team and being the highest. They tend to look at it like oh I'm the best player on my team, even the game, I deserved to win, and not understand that yes that's the system's actual intention before the match started and you need to grind out more wins than you currently do AFTER a win streak if you want to climb.
zaire907 votesThen play every other day
Luner Hunter4 votesthe issue is rito actually has a MMR-eqsue mechanic in which the function is to keep a players win rate at around ~50% ( last time i checked mine is ~55%) not sure why, but it's there
Mojihito6662 votes55% seems to be a magic number after which things start to be really obvious.
Randomonium6 votesYeah, for me its more like a good week/month followed by a bad week/month. I was at a 65% win rate at the start of the season, over the past 2 weeks its dropped to a 49% win rate because of ridiculous game after ridiculous game. No one in their right mind would consider these teams balanced. I'm not bitter about losing, I'm bitter about not even having a fair fight. I'm fine with losing if its a close game with good plays on both sides. It just feels crummy when one side is vastly superior. Oh well.
Just keep swimming, just keep swimming.