How did 5.10 break Ryze?

Durzaka·6/7/2015, 1:57:55 AM·2 votes·1,048 views

During 5.9 Ryze was considered trash. And his win rate matched it.

 Arcane Mastery.png Arcane Mastery
    All buffs (stacks, shield, etc) associated with Arcane Mastery now apply at the beginning of spells' cast time from applying at the end of the spells' cast time.
    Supercharged duration increased to 6 seconds at all ranks from 3 + (Desperate Power.png Desperate Power rank). 
Overload.png Overload
    Base damage increased to 65 / 95 / 125 / 155 / 185 from 65 / 90 / 115 / 140 / 165. 
Desperate Power.png Desperate Power
    Duration increased to 6 seconds at all ranks from 4 / 5 / 6 seconds. 

That is the change log from 5.10. Basically the only note worth change is he gains 1/2 seconds on his Supercharge, and 1/2 seconds on his Desperate Power. And considering how underwhelming Desperate power is, that is really just a passive change.

I only played a couple of games with him after his rework and didnt really enjoy it. Can someone explain to me why he is so damn strong right now?

(About to watch the TL vs. NME game, so maybe that will help me understand).

9 Comments

EndlessSorcerer6/7/2015, 2:02:05 AM3 votes

The buffs helped, but I think the biggest change was players learning to max W or E (depending on matchup) first instead of Q.

Maxing W can allow Ryze to consecutively use Snare to prevent the enemy from moving or retaliating (if the are melee), allowing you to hit them with multiple rotations of your abilities easily.

Hard4Hamsters6/7/2015, 6:19:30 AM3 votes

The change to his passive was actually massive. They doubled the duration of his passive which is where most of Ryze's power is located. It used to only last 3 seconds pre 6 and for this reason he was fairly weak in the early game and even the midgame, by the time he was at 6 seconds on his passive, it was lategame teamfighting time and Ryze was typically underpowered for those fights because his early game was pretty bad.

The way it works now is that Ryze has the same spell output potential that he had at lvl16, in lane this is pretty abusive when you max W first and you perma snare your opponents. If you had done this with Ryze's old passive duration, you would still be able to root someone a few times, but it was only a 4 second duration at level 6, meaning you couldn't bully your opponent as hard in the early game, which is where Ryze shines right now. His midgame became better because he could basically solo kill anyone who doesn't respect Ryze's 600 range W while in lane, and he still has a strong lategame potential due to his high DPS.

All it took was the duration of his passive being increased to make him abusive. He was kept down in lane before because his passive didn't last long enough to get out enough damage to mean enough to your opponent. You could trade with his passive and get a favorable trade even, but you would not be able to nearly 100-0 someone at level 3 because you could snare them every 2 seconds and then cycle through your spells multiple times. It would go more like use W to proc passive, QEQ, W them again Q and then your passive is down. ---Right now your all in goes W proc passive QEQWQEQWQEQW passive is now down QE chase a little Q..W..QEQWQEQW. Basically either you run out of mana or they're dead by that time (usually it's the latter). And usually it happens before your passive is procced the second time.

He used to have a weak early game, but now his early game is insanely strong with little counterplay. I really don't know how this got past the PBE, but it makes me sad because now Ryze is going to get nerfs to his abilities (notably his W) and I'm afraid they aren't going to be enough and he will get nerfed again and basically he will end up a shell of his former self. I like Ryze. He has been one of my favorite champions and I was pretty happy with his rework. I'm upset that he ended up being broken after his buffs, as I thought he needed buffs in other areas to gradually bring him up to a strong spot rather than a huge buff that put him over the top. I personally would like a full revert of the passive duration change, but it has already been announced that his W is going to be hit in it's duration and probably it's cooldown. We'll see what happens. Sorry if I ranted a little bit, but I hope I was clear enough on how the buffs affected Ryze.

pyrohammer6/7/2015, 2:28:22 AM1 votes

he is so broken now. at lv 18, ur target is basically perma snared