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Assassins are not difficult to play

Naymliss·6/15/2018, 11:18:58 AM·15 votes·3,090 views

Assassins have a very simple goal right now- 1 shot anything who isn't full tank. This basically makes it so their goal is clear, just run in, one shot someone, then get out if they need to.

It's much harder to play against this one shot,especially since there are generally no abilities that assassins have that you can outplay reasonably(minus pyke, most fair assassin kit ever IMO). With zed, if he presses r you die eventually with autos and the rest of his kit. Ekko- e then q into a couple of aa:s. Akali-r-q-r, so on and so forth. It isn't hard to press w r aa e q and one shot someone as zed, especially since you can always shadow back at the slightest sign of trouble.

On the other hand, playing an immobile squishy into that is insane. You have to have both flawless positioning AND impeccable teamwork to just survive against them. There is no magic winning one shot combo. Hell, even champions who can do it all can have their damage easilly avoided and outplayed by dodging a skillshot(vel,lux,etc) or staying out of a modest threat range(Annie).

What's causing this? Electrocute. Electrocute makes it so an assassin can miss parts of their combo and still one shot people due to its absurd base damage. It deserves a lower base damage, possibly with a lower CD to compensate.

Edit: clarification

48 Comments

AR URF6/15/2018, 11:21:19 AM5 votes

Like I can't tell you how many times i've seen a Talon go from 2/5 to 10/6 because he gets item 3147. Frankly it's very VERY annoying to see.

Giga Baboon6/15/2018, 11:21:00 AM5 votes

You have to be high to think assassins are hard to play when no mid lane mage starts the game with armor OR magic resist.

Warlord Rhinark6/15/2018, 11:44:49 AM4 votes

Play Kayle

There.

You just made every assassin on the enemy team useless.

Kurt Hyzan6/15/2018, 12:50:33 PM3 votes

item 3147 remove that shit

AND DON'T FUCKING GIVE "COMPENSATION BUFFS" TO EVERY ASSASSIN

and assassin will be fair to play, still allowed to burst you down, but not before you can actually see them out of stealth / if they miss their entire kit but just use one AA and proc electrocute.

Jarring6/15/2018, 2:50:21 PM3 votes

tbh i don't see much difference between electrocute and thunderlord's but meh. i wouldn't mind if they nerfed it to the same dmg in that case anyways. either way i should still be ale to one shot anything... but yeah it should be if i hit my combo.. if i can miss everything and still one shot shit just cuz of electrocute it doesn't seem right. .. but i mostly only play LB and ekko when it comes to assassins anyways... so that makes sense.

heroikc6/15/2018, 3:38:34 PM3 votes

I'd rather nerf assassins in general given Riot is too scared to buff tanks for bodyguard roles.

Hyquiem6/15/2018, 12:05:32 PM2 votes

I posted a thread upon nerfing electrocute during the tank meta. But guess what everyone denied it again and guess who was right about it. Me. ELECTROCUTE is no where near the old Thunderlords, for it’s true electrocute damage is actually too much except everyone needed an assasins meta where mages can’t even cast their spells before being oneshot

TwTvShySept6/15/2018, 11:33:27 AM2 votes

you do notice when they make a single mistake they give huge shutdown gold if teams are so grouped its so hard to assasinate people why do you think all assasin players go split pushing because its really hard to teamfight with them and they are supposed to oneshot adc or any squishy player dont even try 1v1'ing a champion thats concept is for 1v1'ing
all those mages you said are for teamfighting adc's are made for teamfighting assasins are not and its not your duty to defend yourself its your teammates if you are the squishy one or you have to build 1 defensive item then assasins cant kill you

DepressedTomoko6/15/2018, 2:45:06 PM2 votes

I mean the advantages of fighting assassins is that almost all of them are Melee and are easily abused out of lane early, they also USED to have generally poor wave clear, but you know..

Katarina Kassadin Akali All easy to poke out early, and can easily be shoved under turret. All melee too, so you can easily try for first blood versus them if you have any kill potential. Leblanc You have to be smart about her and stay out of her W range while pushing her in. She also has noticeably long cooldowns.

I'm inexperienced with any of the AD assassins so sorry..

Pika Fox6/15/2018, 3:31:32 PM2 votes

If electrocute was as strong as you claim such that you can just miss your combo and one shot someone it would be the only ADC rune ever used. Anyone who builds AD/AP primary would only ever use it.

BrightWîngs6/15/2018, 11:53:31 AM2 votes

Assassins like talon i can agree with Zed can be "brain dead" if he's fed he really isn't that easy to play it looks easy but it's not AP assassins are their own monster and rather no get into that.

Troll for Trump6/15/2018, 3:31:49 PM1 votes

It's...not electrocute. Assasins have always shat on immobile priority targets. There is literally nothing you can do to change that.

Divers could easily do the same.

The best way to counteract that would be to bring back more tanks/peels, which we rotated out of

Strawberrycocoa6/15/2018, 5:09:29 PM1 votes

I just absolutely fucking hate the entire concept of assassin characters. Being able to blink in from out of nowhere and burst people before they can fairly react is the most aggravating god damn thing to play against, and Riot keeps fucking pushing the playstyle.

It genuinely feels to me that Riot balances the game for watchability, not playability. They care more about milking the competitive scene for everything they can by keeping things fast and flashy, and they play favorites with flashy burst nukes and ignore everyone else.

Netorare6/15/2018, 11:55:59 AM1 votes

Yes, i do agree that lethality should be removed together with 10% shield&heal items since assassin and shield&heal bots mains are cry babies... Midlane got ruined by assassins same with toplane that got ruined by ranged, Top and mid should not have diversity tbh. Diversity is not always good.