Daily reminder N°97812 : Solo Q is still asked for the majority of players.

When you say 'the new queue' I can't help but wonder if, like others, they're confusing DQ with the new champ select. So I am boldly asking you to /remake your small survey with that detail added in.

I love this type of argument.

"The majority doesnt want solo queue, just the boards and reddit"

Ok prove it

Oh what a surprise, of course your friends like it, you're boosting them.

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I know I'm going to be downvoted to oblivion, but SoloQ isn't being asked by the majority of players, only by the majority of this forum and probably high end players. I personally don't miss SoloQ, but I agree that DynamicQ isn't even near being called the perfect solution, but for context, I asked all my local friends (Silver ranking, play both ranked and normal games, which is most likely the common player denominator) and 8 out of 9 prefer the new queue.

So yeah, I understand your gripes, but people screaming for SoloQ is a very loud minority, to be honest. That being said, I hope that a middle ground can be met soon, probably holding the new ranked system but limiting big time how premades can be played as to not fuck Solo players over.

easy. make a ranked solo ladder. and 5 team ladder.

if you want to play with friends go normals. because at that point you aren't caring about your own skill level or what badge you get except screwing over others

You can't prove what the non-vocal community wants though. So you can't say what most of the community wants.

Aye, the majority don't actually give a damn one way or the other.

There are 4 groups of people on the debate of solo vs dynamic:

Those who don't give a shit (by far the largest group)

Those who aren't able to form an educated opinion of the system (this is occupied by people who are very new to the game as a whole and thus cannot make an educated decision one way or the other)

Those who hate it or at the very least dislike it enough that they feel the old system was better (the so called "vocal minority," which is actually made up by nearly every single high-ranked player out there, and houses a fairly large amount of people)

Those that love it (the quiet minority. There really aren't any posts stating any form of praise, and before you go saying "hurr durr they would be downvoted into obli----" stop. NO, those posts do exist, and the ones that are thoughtful and not insulting....which are sadly in the minority.... are actually upvoted and are generally at positive upvotes).

You see, the people that love dynamic que (largely because they can play ranked with friends), generally loved ranked teams because ranked teams allowed them to achieve that very goal. They also like dynamic que because it isn't as restricting as ranked teams are (requires a full team of 5, all have to be on the same ranked team, etc). Those requirements can actually be tweaked and made more lenient (perhaps requiring you to be on the same team, but in this case you can que up as a duo, or a trio, or as a full 5 man, and then face similar teams). Granted this would mean an average of a longer que for duo and trio players, this would end up in a reduced que time for full 5 man teams, so in the end it should end up with roughly no net gain or loss to the previous que times (and if there was a gain/loss to que times then it should be rather small).

But the whole underlying point is, while you can actually appeal to the group that loves dynamic que (even when literally removing that actual system). You cannot appeal to the group that prefers solo-que. There literally is no way to actually appeal to those that want solo que so long as dynamic que in its current format exists.

Of course we arent't the majority of the players, but we actually care enough about the game and it's current state to complain about it and show riot that they are doing something wrong. The other players dont't come out and say: Oh yeah, DQ is awesome, beacause they actually dont't care as much about the game as we do. They would even play the game when riot would fuck ut up more.

WE complain because we love League of Legends and want it to change so we are able to have fun again.

Yea honestly like Adebug said I can't believe how many people group the idea of dynamic queue and new champ select together. I bet a majority of players get confused, but if you explained the difference to all of them a majority would say they do not prefer dynamic queue.

it's just when you actually get invested in the game and be competitive at it, dynamic Q is a slap in the face.

I'm sure there are some actual silvers that have invested a lot of time in the game and are still silver; nothing against them.

but generally speaking silvers are basically fucking casuals that would prefer dynamic Q because they're not extrmely invested in the game, theyre just trying to have a good time and playing with some friends delivers that; it's fun for them to play with buddies (and it is fun if you're just playing the game to have fun.

but that spits on the solo players that are playing the game more competitively and arent trying to make/play with friends.

so the minority (solo players that dont want to play with premades) are tossed to the trash in favor of the majority opinion (bronze/silver unskilled players that are just trying to have fun).

so yeah theyre gonna be pretty vocal about basically being forsaken for the "greater good".

dont have an opinion either way, dont really care any more, just trying to shed light on the issue as an ex high-plat exclusively solo Qer.

doesnt matter either way, riots a business that wants to make money. I get it, that means a big middle finger to solo players, basically.

which is fine, that's their decision, but the competitive value of the game is what is sacrificed for that business; good luck keeping the competitive scene meaningful. already faker is throwing games on the whim and what can i say he probably gives no fucks about the game due to its current trajectory.

but when your posterboy really gives zero fucks about his brand that's a glaring issue

Oh look, its the silent majority "argument" once again.

Oh, and you do realise, that a sample size of 9 is not exactly showing more weight than the forum community with thousands of readers and commenters?

Then why HotS abandoned Dynamic queue?

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This is a lie, Riot has already said several times that all the data shows this is just a vocal minority.

Even most of the surveys that solo queue requesters put forth show a massive non-response bias indicating that only a very small portion of the playerbase want solo queue back.

why dont they show this data?

Riot's data is unreliable, mainly because they do not take all variables into account. For example, they say that DQ has lowered toxicity. They look at one variable, the amount of reports. However, they don't take into account the fact that a toxic person on a premade team is far less likely to get a lot of reports then a toxic solo player because their teammates won't report them. So don't just blindly believe something because "Riot's Data" says so.