Why is Katarina's new shuno description a dash?

King Empress·Oct 19, 2016·2 votes·3,594 views

Riot what is the actual purpose of making her teleport description a dash that is just fast? Considering the ability is still coded as a blink isnt it cooler to just have her keep teleporting. Her moving really fast i's no fun please just keep it a teleport that's what this champion is all about. Making her someone who just moves fast isn't special, the teleport is is what made this champ seem so cool but now she's just a basic ninja. Return her to just teleporting please that's who and what katarina is, a teleporter.

47 Comments

AptestOct 19, 20162 votes

I am in the dash camp, and here is why:

There are a bunch of abilities in the game that interact with (block) dashes, and we are going to see more of them as time goes by. In addition, displacement CC also interacts with dashes and "cancels" them.

The power of teleport over a dash is that it ignores these interactions. Having Shunpu be a dash, while thematically not correct, is basically allowing champions to interact (disrupt) her mechanics, thus making playing against her more fair.

TeineDorOct 19, 20161 votes

I would agree with you. But the new kat has some big issues.. #LUCKARINA May RNGeezes bestow his power upon you

AptestOct 21, 20161 votes

considering instant CC is getting rarer both because of reworked champions (RIP chogath silence) and playing preferences (assassins / carry junglers, assassin mids, carry tops)...

TeineDorOct 22, 20161 votes

Damn what did they do to cho silence? They do need to stop getting rid of all the cc tho, i agree about that. It will make the assassins too op

AptestOct 22, 20161 votes

I think they did it for two reasons:

it makes all spells work the same way. it is reasonable that the spell animates it's cast first and only then impacts you.
it makes dodging on cast animation (cho has slow cast animations) possible. especially in high elo, low latency games.

King EmpressOct 21, 20161 votes

The thing about that is although it says dash, it's not coded as a dash, she's still blinking but the description now just basically describes her as running so fast its a blink. The shunpo is the same ability and is completely unchanged, it's a blink, I just wish it would still say that she teleport rather than she runs super fast you know what I mean? They didn't make the ability a dash or change it at all, they only changed the description so mechanics is out of the conversation here. I just want her description to say teleport.

AptestOct 21, 20161 votes

if the ability is a blink than the tool tip needs to say it is a blink. if it is a dash than the tool tip needs to say it is a dash. the two are not the same

King EmpressOct 21, 20161 votes

They tried to make sure people still knew it was a blink by saying she "dashes in the blink of an eye" but honestly I think it mis led people. Because it's still coded as a blink but basically says she's fast af that's it

AptestOct 21, 20161 votes

that kind of wording makes no sense at all.

"dashes to target location/enemy" "blinks to target location/enemy"

that makes sense.

zrWQMdGHtYOct 19, 20161 votes

I prefer her to keep the old kit with 355 base MS instead of 345... REAL MOBILITY BUFF! ^^ Not this "mobility" she got with the rework xD

King EmpressOct 19, 20161 votes

Lol I mean like if the ability does the same thing why make it a so called "dash in the blink of an eye" when she can just teleport which is WAY cooler right?

zrWQMdGHtYOct 19, 20161 votes

Because now Poppy doesn't counter her, after the rework Poppy will counter her and you'll be even more useless... If you didn't know Poppy's dash blocked doesn't work on Kata, but after the rework it will. That was the main idea. You still don't get it that this is a massive nerf on a balanced champ instead of a buff ?

King EmpressOct 19, 20162 votes

The ability is still a blink... dude lol

zrWQMdGHtYOct 19, 20161 votes

Set status

Blink - False Dash - True.

This is the simple way how the script works

"If Blink Block mobility = false" "If dash Block mobility = true"

Poppy.

Riot chaing description from "blink" ot "Dash" means the code is change from "Blink" to "dash" and poppy will block you... "dude lol"... You said it yourself that it's change to a dash.

King EmpressOct 19, 20161 votes

This is exactly why is says "dashes in the blink of and eye" key word "blink" that is why it is still at blink and I've played it, it still is.

zrWQMdGHtYOct 19, 20161 votes

"dashes", has nothing to do with "blink of an eye" it just means there's no animation doesn't mean... bah whatever.. no point of explaining

King EmpressOct 21, 20161 votes

Dude you realize they didn't change the coding... it's still coded as a blink which is exactly why I want it to remain a teleport rather than her running so fast she's blinked. The shunpo is still coded as a shunpo which is why your argument is invalid. This thread is only about her description saying that she runs super fast I stead of teleporting because the shunpo in terms of gameplay is comepletly unchanged and is still coded as blink man.

King EmpressOct 19, 20161 votes

The ability was and still is a blink and is not counted as a dash. That is why I find it weird to call it a dash when she's blinking when they could've left it as a teleport if it does the same thing.

zrWQMdGHtYOct 19, 20161 votes

Why do I even bother...

PyrophiliaOct 21, 20162 votes

You shouldn't bother. Because it's a wasted effort. Because you're wrong. Her developer clearly stated on stream the ability is still a blink. Poppy won't do shit to it with W.

zrWQMdGHtYOct 21, 20161 votes

The developers can say whatever they want when ever they want, either they should fix their typo or they made it a dash in the coding even if it looks like a blink, without informing anyone. Quit jumping on me like I'm a piece of meat and try to consider that minor detail...

PyrophiliaOct 21, 20161 votes

They didn't change anything, in fact, as I said, they informed EVERYONE on stream and in her developer thread that it was still a blink. And the ability's description features both words, so technically it is not a typo, either.

'Katarina dashes in the blink of an eye...' 'Katarina can blink to any location near the target.'

zrWQMdGHtYOct 21, 20161 votes

Nothing is official until the official release. End of story.

PyrophiliaOct 21, 20161 votes

I mean technically, sure. But does it make sense to assume that her e will suddenly become a dash because reasons? Lol hardly.

zrWQMdGHtYOct 21, 20161 votes

On theory what's written down in the description should be what it is, so if it's not then you're lied by the Devs and gives you a false impression. There's no logic to call it "Dash to" location when there's one more champion that has description that says "Blocks dashes"... Don't go trying to find logic in my words, but in their own words...

PyrophiliaOct 21, 20161 votes

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And the ability's description features both words, so technically it is not a typo, either.

'Katarina dashes in the blink of an eye...' 'Katarina can blink to any location near the target.'

zrWQMdGHtYOct 21, 20161 votes

"dashes" = "dash", why are you still whining on my head instead of actually thinking about it...

PyrophiliaOct 21, 20161 votes

Because BOTH words are in the description, so it's not as misleading as you claim.

"in the blink" = "blink" "blink" = "blink"

zrWQMdGHtYOct 21, 20161 votes

Are you sure you're from America? Blink isn't used as "she blinks" it's used as "Blink of an eye" which means as a term of time not as a term of action. She does the DASH in a quick period, not "She BLINKS"... Surely you are trolling now, aren't you?

PyrophiliaOct 22, 20161 votes

OMG. Are. You. Kidding. Me.

Linguistically, semantically, pragmalinguistically and etymologically speaking, THE ENTIRE REASON why a blink (as in, noun; a rapid, short-distance teleport from one location to another) is called a blink is because it happens 'in the blink of an eye'. The semantic marker is INDISPUTABLE.

And if that is not sufficient for you, the word is used UNEQUIVOCALLY as 'a term of action' in the second example, so the point is moot.

Also, a hint: the server that someone plays on doesn't really tell you where they're playing from. It also doesn't tell you whether or not they just happen to have an MA in English philology. [slayer-jinx-wink]

zrWQMdGHtYOct 22, 20161 votes

Congratz, you still fail to understand what I said. Have fun arguing with yourself. Gets boring trying to make a person understand what you're saying, after the 100th try... You should go and try to get few new documents, they mean a lot... especially if you fail to catch a simple thought... :)))) Have a nice evening. Cyas.

PyrophiliaOct 23, 20161 votes

You have literally said nothing of argumentative value. You basically just keep repeating: 'I'm right, you just can't understand it.' It's laughable.

Unfortunately for you, that's not how discussions work. At least not any discussion you intend to cop out of with your dignity intact. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

zrWQMdGHtYOct 23, 20161 votes

I keep repeating "Try to understand" and throw a different view and you keep nagging "No IDC it's a blink idc what it says, what COULD happen, IDC for life it's a blink! go away u wrote"...

King EmpressOct 21, 20161 votes

Poppy still doesn't counter her. The shunpo is still coded as a blink and not an on ground dash. Only the description has changed not the ability itself which is what bothers me

zrWQMdGHtYOct 21, 20161 votes

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The developers can say whatever they want when ever they want, either they should fix their typo or they made it a dash in the coding even if it looks like a blink, without informing anyone. Quit jumping on me like I'm a piece of meat and try to consider that minor detail...

Now quit replying to me, I'm busy writing.

King EmpressOct 21, 20162 votes

It's been officially state by a rioters that it is still a blink so I'm taking to consideration what you think it's just invalid because it's a damn blink so you can carry on being a douche go finish your writing.

zrWQMdGHtYOct 21, 20161 votes

Nothing is official until it's released and offending me, just because you cant accept that something may or may happen, is not even mature, but whatever.

King EmpressOct 23, 20161 votes

Misunderstanding what this thread was about and getting salty when someone is telling you the current fact isn't mature either but carry on.

zrWQMdGHtYOct 23, 20161 votes

The fact you expressed yourself in a wrong term and using the "current" state while I speak of the future state, doesn't make me neither salty, neither wrong in that matter. So clearly the immaturity is on some else's side, so if you couldn't kindly quit offending my intelligence and accept your own blame in the story.

King EmpressOct 23, 20161 votes

I'm not offending your intelligence... I literally just stated why you are being a douche you just did it... I said the CURRENT things, you are saying future. That's the problem. I'm talking about right now and this thread isn't even about making the ability a dash or a blink because it IS a blink. This thread is about regardless of it being a blink, should the description say the blink is a teleport or that's she's moving fast. You are taking a hard left turn on a thread that turns right.

King EmpressOct 23, 20161 votes

This is why I said you're being immature because you're arguing about something that I wasn't even trying to talk about. You brought up a subject that wasn't AT ALL in the focus of this thread.

zrWQMdGHtYOct 23, 20161 votes

Your tittle states the future which will come in a month. Not the present. Thank you for the argument, I would like to have my peace and quite now. Thank you.

King EmpressOct 25, 20161 votes

My title describes the current. PBE you dingle berry. You can leave now.

Elite4RunnerOct 19, 20161 votes

I would say because Ground cc effects dashes, but does not mention teleports.

It would be a little odd that they would make this sort of change because of a crowd control effect that only a single champion has at the moment, but considering how both Katarina and Cassiopeia are midlane champions, it makes at least somewhat more sense.

King EmpressOct 19, 20161 votes

Could you do me a favor and vote ty for commenting. :)

Elite4RunnerOct 19, 20161 votes

Sure, I am actually okay with making it a dash because now I'm trying to think of any other champion who has an ability that is specifically categorized as a teleport. If there are not any, it could just be an attempt to retain continuity.

Even in that case, I would say you could make a stronger case for it being a blink over a dash however.

I could be wrong about the difference in definition, but a dash can be interrupted by cc because the champion is technically moving through the space between Point A and Point B.

Actually, I just checked the LoLWiki page and it is classified as a blink.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Blink

Granted, this is prior to the rework being on live servers, and LoLWiki is technically not controlled by Riot directly.

King EmpressOct 21, 20161 votes

Yeah my confusion with their description change is the ablitity is still coded as a blink, yet they describe it as a dash so fast, she's blinking, when in all honest it would be so easy to just let it say she's teleporting because she's still blinking so since it's not coded as an on ground dash it's not gonna be affected like other dashes. Why would they make such a minor change when teleporting is cooler and it's gonna be a blink ability either way