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So armor is basically no use now?

Demens Astrum·2/21/2017, 10:04:27 AM·6 votes·1,218 views

Just wanted to say that recently there was a lot of crying about adc being useless and now i take rammus against full ad team and have like around 600 armor and ~4 000. Did it help me? No. Adc and other AD champs just ignore now my armor. Good thing they did not have Garen who would make my 600 into 270 and others would ignore like 70+35% of that? How stupid is that?

Picking 4 AD in team - rammus is the one who should punish guys for such actions. if 4k hp and ~600 armor is in game - just get armor pen - game is sucks. it is not that they killed me 1 vs 5, ususally it took even to kill me, he would not even loose hp cuz of that rediculous vamp he has. Or ult, what ever. They did not even built full armor pen, like i see now in every fkin game.

Tat is really nice. i have 600 armor and decent hp, comes any carry, ignores around 220 of my armor just by dominics, also deals bonus dmg from dominics passive. In recent games those carry usually can ignore close to 70 armor flat, making my armor around 300 (HALF). Is that balanced? Not even considering % damage from botk or spells, and also armor pen from some other champs(not their items cuz they don't stuck but some spells). Is that balanced? FK NO. Oh, what happens if they also have with ? He alone will make my 600 armor into 270 FOR EVERYONE, not just himself. Than caryy ignore 45% of what's left from bonus armor, and apply flat armor pen leaving me with armor less than adc have in late game. That is nice. I actually won that game, only because out macro game was slightly better, so it's not me crying only because of lost game.

What is the purpose of PBE if it can't predict such a LETHAL mistake?

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23 Comments

Sasogwa2/21/2017, 10:17:22 AM2 votes

Imo Dominiks/Mortal's reminder amount of %pen is really absurd, denying half of opponent's armor building for just one slot and 2k something gold...

Lethality doesn't have much impact on tanks at all, really. Yeah they're better after dominiks but still meh. It's just the %bonus arpen. Well in any case the old system seemed easier to balance out (last whisper 35% total armor pen)

Dynikus2/21/2017, 10:18:00 AM2 votes

Fun fact, the difference in damage you take between 270 and 600 armor is 13%. 270 armor will reduce damage taken by 73%, 600 armor will reduce damage taken by 86%.

Orianna at level 18 has the lowest base armor at 68 outside of thresh and mini gnar. With item 3157, she has 113. With item 3157, you have 39% damage reduction against item 3142 item 3814 item 3147 without item 3157, you have about 15% damage reduction against item 3142 item 3814 item 3147

Without any health items, Orianna has 1860 health at level 18. Let's say that the enemy does 3000 damage before reduction. With item 3157, they deal 1830 damage. Congrats, you lived. without item 3157, they deal 2550 damage. Dang, you died.

That's why you build armor.

Starcraft243ver2/21/2017, 10:20:34 AM1 votes

play malphite, you need at least 800 armor i think.

Critmaster Garen2/21/2017, 10:30:31 AM1 votes

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Good thing they did not have Garen who would make my 600 into 270 and

~313

and yes. lethality + % pen is a problem

Irelia Bot2/21/2017, 10:31:03 AM1 votes

It is far from a reliable stat is the best way to put it.

Since BC + LW + 3 lethality items will effectively make over 70% of a tanks armor ineffective.

The BC does not even need to be on the same player to apply the reduction.

ImTheSideKick2/21/2017, 11:17:13 AM1 votes

with just runes and items such as item 3814 item 3142 item 3147 item 3071 item 3036 you lose 430 of that 600 armor

with a garen on the other team that goes even lower. turning you into a no damage squishy... its bogus

Asayake 5150glow2/21/2017, 2:27:43 PM1 votes

You spike super hard midgame, shoulda used that unkillable status to end the game right then and there before they get their lifesteal and armor pen.

ForgiveColour2/21/2017, 2:42:56 PM1 votes

Funny because hatedaddy made a thread calling out bullshit like this one but theres still people making it LUL

Ethan Allen2/21/2017, 6:16:15 PM1 votes

Yes. Plz stop building it against Syndra Kappa

Sasogwa2/22/2017, 5:23:58 AM1 votes

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The armor formular is: 100/(100+armor). 100/100+600 = .143 100/100+380 = .208

.208-.143 = .065, or just under 7%. To find the difference, you subtract one number from another. You're finding the percentage increase in damage rather than the difference in damage reduction.

.208 is a 45% increase from .143. But the difference between 20.8% and 14.3% is 7%. Perhaps how I phrased that is why you misunderstood what I was saying.

Yeah but that's not how you calculate how much more damage he does in percentage. I mean, let's say he does 1000 damage per second, after armor it's 208 per second in the first case and 143 in the second case.

208/143 = 1.45

Therefore he deals 45% more damage in the first case than in the second case.

I mean, after all your sentence in the first post was "that 45% bonus armor pen is only letting that adc do 7% more damage."

Which is.. wrong. I mean, you could say that 7% percent of his DPS is not ignored anymore, but you also have to realize that already 86% is ignored, from 14 % to 21 % is a huge deal, that's basically around 1.5x more DPS.

Is it just a misunderstanding or did you think the DPS was only 1.07x higher than without dominiks?

EDIT : nvm, didn't see the last part of your post. Also, sorry for being slightly condescending.