Do Assassins Need Nerf? (Fizz)

Ajah Nii··4 votes·1,145 views

As we all know, many champions in League are considered "OP" or "broken beyond belief". People rally to their computers and post long winded discussions on the boards (kinda like this one). For example, take Fizz... This little... Ahem*... guy can burst you down in an instant, and leaving you dumbfounded. Take a look at one of the main reasons new Fizz is considered OP.

Seastone Trident: TOTAL MAGIC DAMAGE: 25 / 40 / 55 / 70 / 85 (+ 33.3% AP) ACTIVE: Fizz's next basic attack deals bonus magic damage. If the target has been bleeding for at least 2 seconds, the damage dealt is tripled. 「 BONUS MAGIC DAMAGE: 25 / 40 / 55 / 70 / 85 (+ 33.3% AP) 」 If Seastone Trident kills its target, its cooldown is reduced to 1 second and refunds mana. MANA REFUNDED: 20 / 28 / 36 / 42 / 50

If used correctly, this move can, and will be, abused towards ending your already unfair game. As a Fizz player, I know how useful it is to get the W resets off CS-ing, however the bleed proc is simply overwhelming. The purest tilt inducing champion is surely Fizz. He can make your ADC's cry, your top laners AFK and your mid uninstall if played to his highest potential. I'm not going to drag this out, seeing as how this champion's strength is a very well-worn beaten path. Basically what I'm asking is this: Is FIzz, (and champions like him; ie. Yasuo, Zed, Camille, etc.), a balanced champion(s)? Are they so far gone that they would need some sort of fix or nerf? The link above is a video that shows how overwhelming the Tidal Trickster can be.

13 Comments

Knight Sky6 votes

Fizz is so easy to deal with

Penns5 votes

I think he is considered "trash" rather than "op" if anything lel.

Ajah Nii1 votes

Unfortunately, a LARGE part of the community would disagree with you. Well, at the lower elo that is

WoonStruck3 votes

Fizz isn't really a problem. Zed and Camille aren't that bad.

Yasuo is a problem because he takes agency away from the player he's against and has 3 forms of defenses, essentially. 4 if you include exhaust when taken. 5 if you include warlord's when taken. 6 if you include the offensive pressure.

Examples you gave as 'champions like Fizz' have nothing to do with fizz or each other. The closest relation is Zed and Fizz both being considered assassins.

Ajah Nii1 votes

When referring to "champions like Fizz", I was speaking in the context of champions that people say have "zero counterplay". A lot of lower elo players feel like there is absolutely nothing they can do when laning or teamfighting. I'm obviously not a high elo player YET, so don't judge my words too harshly.

ViolentBoo2 votes

Playing against fizz you need to be patient. At first I HATED going against him, but he's not as big of a problem now when I play against him compared to, lets say a year ago. His ult didn't need a change though, and that's what I'm most upset about him now. He had an ult that you can hardly miss with to, can't miss at all.

Ajah Nii1 votes

Yeah, since really learning Fizz, he IS way more manageable post-rework. And I didn't make this discussion to ask for a Fizz nerf, believe it or not. I was merely asking the opinions of the community in the matter.

Calabok1 votes

Yea, let's gut the fish

Pun intended

DragexMan1 votes

Maybe Riot just likes sushi

10Tickler1 votes

The only change fizz needs is to have his Zhonya's move removed.

Ajah Nii1 votes

I'm assuming you are referring to his E? If that's the case, I don't think Riot would view removing that a "healthy" decision for Fizz as a champion. FIzz's E makes him who he is. He wouldn't be a slippery fish if he didn't have a few tricks up his sleeve ;D

10Tickler1 votes

I am, and I do understand that. If anything, it could be tweaked so that Abilities that VISUALLY cover him completely still offer some effect. In example, Nami's Ultimate. It's a Wide, AOE CC move with limited Damage. So let Playful/Trickster dodge the CC when it's used in the right timing, but still take /some/ of the damage. He's just hopped on top of his pole, he's not a golden statue.

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