i'm stuck in bronze for a reason i don't know. pls help

FOXlegend007·May 7, 2017·1 votes·1,020 views

hey, i'm FOXlegend007 i got placed in bronze 3 when i started off ranked, then i dropped all the way to bronze 5 :) i started to play better for some reason and got back to 3. but now i started falling back downwards when i feel like i'm still the same. i check out guides to build the right items, i have mastery pages and runes. i even adapt my builds when i'm playing against ap or ad champions. but yet i'm still bad, why is that and how can i improve ? what am i doing wrong and is there a big problem? this is my op.gg account --> https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=FOXlegend007 i mostly play mid (lux, ahri or annie) depending on matchup or jungle( jax, and recently lee sin). i want to master those champions and climb with them.

thanks for your help, even if your not commenting but just want to read my elo hell text.

26 Comments

Asayake 5150glowMay 7, 20172 votes

You're getting Deathcap far too early. Ludens is better for burst, and Voidstaff scales better + cheaper, with relatively the same damage.

Morellos -> defensive (banshees/Zhonyas/Roa/GLP)->Voidstaff/Ludens->Deathcap is more effective, I believe.

Stop building Liandry's, it isn't bad, per se, but there's usually better items. A mages core: item 3165 item 3135 item 3089 item 3157 / item 3102 item 3285 item 3020 doesn't leave much room for improvisation, although Luden's could be swapped out for something else, it's usually the best choice unless you want GLP or RoA or Seraphs.

FOXlegend007May 7, 20172 votes

waaw seems you know a lot about her, so i need to stop building liandry's , get rabadons later, and build voidstaff earlier. ok , but i feel like in bronze nobody ever builds magic resist, that's why i only build the 15 % from liandry's, so i don't think u should get it first, but i will definitely try this out, cause you are probably much better then me :)

Asayake 5150glowMay 7, 20171 votes

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waaw seems you know a lot about her, so i need to stop building liandry's , get rabadons later, and build voidstaff earlier. ok , but i feel like in bronze nobody ever builds magic resist, that's why i only build the 15 % from liandry's, so i don't think u should get it first, but i will definitely try this out, cause you are probably much better then me :)

Voidstaff is almost always better than the 15 flat pen from Liandry's, With it's 35% pen, your target needs only 42 MR for it to break even. Against tanks, or hell, melees who have scaling MR, it's definitely always better.

I don't main mages but the standard builds aren't too hard to see around and understand.

FOXlegend007May 7, 20171 votes

thanks, i will do it although i sometimes see opponents with literally no magic resist

MysterQMay 7, 20171 votes

Also, I usually see Sorc boots bought very very early. So it apparently helps.

FOXlegend007May 7, 20171 votes

that's because i don't know what boots to build else. i still suck u know

MysterQMay 7, 20171 votes

Oh I didn't mean you. I meant I see it a lot in games, either as first or second item. So it is probably correct, but I don't know if a mage main can tell you when to build it.

Makior72May 7, 20172 votes

Just from the brief look I took, Lux, Jax, and Veigar are by far your best champions. I would play them exclusively / become a one trick until you climb to your desired rank. If you have <50% win rate in ranked with a champion after 6+ games, I would not use that champion in ranked anymore until you practice them in normal a bit more. That said, the champion you choose is only part of the solution. With lux especially you have really good roam potential, so at lvl 6 (and earlier if bot or top is pushing hard towards your teams side of the map) shove your lane all the way to the enemy tower, even if that means missing a few cs. And just take a quick walk to top or bot and try to gank.

Another common mistake I see with mid laners especially in low elo, is if your enemy laner disappears and they wernt super low health / backing, you need to ping it and roam WITH them, with possible exceptions for AD mids like Talon, Zed and Yasuo who could feasibly take a turret in the absence of their laner.

MysterQMay 7, 20171 votes

Oh man in low ELO though, please be careful.

I see so many games with a winning mid lane, who DOESNT push tower. Pushing that tower is so important. Don't be the midlane who roams for 2 minutes (while losing tower) and not doing anything. Pushing that midlane turret is super good for your team's moral.

Eternal TormentMay 7, 20171 votes

For a start, we would Need to know more Details about your playstyle. like, what champions do you Play most? how do you Play them? where do you Play them? Depending on the A and O of your situations we should be able to help more if we know all the details

FOXlegend007May 7, 20171 votes

thanks for super quick comment

Eternal TormentMay 7, 20171 votes

Okay, from what i can see so far you are actually doing quite well with lux and jax seems fairly average too, but can't say the same for everything else.

From the picks alone, i can assume that you probably have issues with the teamcompositions you get. Communication, teamplay, set ups, chases and traps, lategame etc. Judging by the fact that lux and Annie have your highest winrates for midlaners, and lux prevailing as the only one above 40%, i would say you make best scores with her because you can best make set ups for your team with her. Long range cc, very reliable AoE burst, an last Resort shield.

So, assuming this is the case, (note this is an assumption, so everything from here on is pure hypothesis) you will do best with champions that focus on high AoE and zoning, like lux as mentioned. She is safe, she is always useful, and she is reliable. My advice is stick to her, be a lux main and tilt the ever living Jesus out of your enemies with her laugh.

NOW! since you won't always get midlane, we Need to give you something to do well on the other places too, right? As for toplane you can try sticking to Jax but then be very careful on your matchups. If you have a darius fiora or a malphite in toplane you best make sure you get lots of ganks, if you are jungling then i advice you to Play something that is safe, good clears and not all that hard to Play. you could go with jax again, but then you would Need to actively gank. an alternative is Maokai. He has very strong sustain, and survivability, and his new E makes clearing a lot easier, so you can farm up to lvl 6 and proceed with mad lane-wide ganks for whoever you wanna see burn in hellfire. BUT we all know our lord and saviour autofill, so it is inevitable that you will end up being adc and support once in a while. my suggestions for the start are ezreal and nami. Ezreal is a very safe adc, skillshot reliant yes but he has massive ranges for a bot lane champ and a free flash on a basic ability. Nami is all about management, where to land your Q, who to slow, who to heal, how to set up your heal for max Efficiency (aka bounces) and in my personal experience nami is one of the easier defensive supports to Play.

Back to lux, if it does not hurt, i would love to know the masteries and runes you take, because even thought many high elo have their recommendations, i personally found that in the end it all depends on playstyle, so if you are to become a lux main you should be prepared, and for your setup ill gladly assist more. i have a runepage which i use on ryze and lux and i have seen very high success with it so far

FOXlegend007May 7, 20171 votes

omg you are putting so much effort in this, thank you. i will try malphite ezreal and nami, and focus on top side, no more jungling. my masteries and runes of lux: http://imgur.com/a/1SBZZ masteries and runes of jax i will have to rework for top lane so i can't show you yet.

Eternal TormentMay 7, 20171 votes

Alright, as for your masteries we could make some decent arguments, as for the ferocity tree, dont put any points into vampirism. The life steal and spell vamp gained is so unreliably Little it wont do much on lux even with all the burst she has, ecspecially considering spellvamp effect is divided by 3, so you have 0.5%/3 for lux's spells, excluded her passive.

then for the cunning tree. depending on which runes and summoners you take you can either go for secret stash for the cookies OR you can run the assassin mastery instead for more lanepower and that extra Little UMPF, yknow that extra chazzle dazzle (gotta love a good reference).

as for your runes, they are not visible, maybe the Picture did not get hefted on?

FOXlegend007May 7, 20171 votes

i will change vamirism, and you need to click on the picture and then click the arrow to the right side saying next, hope u find it.

Eternal TormentMay 7, 20171 votes

oh, yeah. you got too much ability power from what i can tell. I have 3 standart rune setups for you which you can all take for about every situation there is.

Runeset 1: Ideal when you want to have a lot of burst inlane, useful against more calm matchups and vs immobile champions with Little skillshots to none but with good survivability due to many defence stats. ideal vs ad lanes that Counter you, namely zed. 3x Flat ap purples 6x flat ap, 3x growing mr blues 9x Magic pen reds 6x flat armor yellows, 3x scaling mr yellows

runeset 2: More ideal when you really Need a safe lane, versus high snowball champions or champs with a lot of skillshots like xerath, vel'koz, yasuo, fizz etc. 3x Movement speed purples 9x Magic pen reds 9x Scaling health yellows 6x Scaling cooldown blues, 3x Scaling MR blues

Runeset 3: is a rather risky combination of the both mentioned above, it gives you both damage and a Little more survivability, but you trade all defence stats for it so you really take this page if you have a very favorable lane or are confident you can, and will, win. 3x flat ap purples 9x Magic pen reds 9x scaling hp yellows 6x scaling cd blues, 3x flat ap blues.

Each runeset works, but they all differ depending on your matchup and your confidence in playing lux. Try all three of them in vs ai or in normal games a bit and get somewhat accusted to them, if you want to that is

FOXlegend007May 7, 20171 votes

thanks

Eternal TormentMay 7, 20171 votes

welcome. the biggest issue with your runes was that you had Zero diversity. Runes are to help you manage that earlygame where you have no items and stats, means you Need to use them to round up your weaknesses while just slightly giving your strengths a Little extra. That is why you never will see any assassin have runes that do not include at least 6x flat armor pens

MysterQMay 7, 20171 votes

Thank you for being nice.

??? Answer seems simple. Just play Lux and go Mid/Support. You have a much better record on her than other champion. Your jungling from op.gg seems poor. And even your Annie isn't too hot recently. Not sure how hard it is to get the Mid position. If you queue Mid/Supp, you can then queue Mid/Top and at least get a solo-lane next game.

FOXlegend007May 7, 20171 votes

i heard on youtube u to not play support because you are all dependent on your adc. is that correct? also i feel like i don't really understand the actual game from youtube only. So do i need to watch streamers or so to get better?

MysterQMay 7, 20171 votes

I did not play support in low bronze, because I was also worried about depending on my ADC. But I started in bronze 2 and many ADCs are decent (surprised me, because I suck at ADC). So you can still play support in bronze, but maybe higher bronze. And I am still worried about depending on my ADC because sometimes you just get one that you don't match with, but as long you both don't give up they can come back. (yesterday I secured 2 kills from (dead)Twitch, stole 1 kill from Twitch and he died 5 times or so. we just had no synergy, but he came back and farmed up very well.)

I will say in low low bronze. Mage supports like Lux/Annie can play even with a bad ADC. You can build so much AP that you can kill people. This isn't the best way to play imo, but with the damage they put out you can still play.

If you hate support or if it doesn't work. Just go Mid/Top every game. Your Lux seems much better than your jg, so I would just play her top.

FOXlegend007May 7, 20171 votes

thank you i will play mid and top with lux and jax and if i get autofilled i might still play lux support and poke them out.

MysterQMay 7, 20171 votes

Let me know how it goes. I would offer to with you if you weren't EUW because you seem like a nice guy. I'm still trying to improve myself.

FOXlegend007May 7, 20171 votes

so regrettable that we didn't have this conversation a week ago while i was in North America, but thanks anyways. You seem like i nice guy too

Darkdemon653May 7, 20171 votes

If you know how you should be playing, the best thing you can do is watch replays of your matches, especially for ones where you don't do well. If you feel like you are playing properly and still doing poorly, you need to watch what others do.

And something I always make sure of - do you have your camera unlocked?

FOXlegend007May 7, 20171 votes

yes my camera is always unlocked