Lets Talk zoe/burst mages

yeulx··1 votes·391 views

So alot of people have been complaining on how zoe is op and busted and i dislike how it seems like no one can see outside the box ... yes she is strong but there are reasons for that... So zoe is a burst mage its her job to be able to burst someone almost instantly think like Syndra Annie Lux ... people are complaining that her Q does massive ammounts of damage and thats how she was designed and needs to be to be a burst mage not just that but her kit requires set up and has quite a bit of risk if you want maximum burst damage... like her Q and E are blocked by minions... E can break off of minion damage or any types of damage but zoes biggest issue is that shes a 1 ability damage champion not counting her passive so lets go over some burst mages...(note only looking at abilities that do damage) so first looking at

Zoe

Passive - After casting an ability, Zoe's next basic attack or bubble within 5 seconds deals 17 - 140 (based on level) (+ 25% AP) bonus magic damage.

Q- now her damage is based on how Far Q travels being minimum damage being 45 / 75 / 105 / 135 / 165 (+ 66% AP) Maximum damage being 112.5 / 187.5 / 262.5 / 337.5 / 412.5 (+ 165% AP)

W- this effect only goes off when you cast a summoner spell Magic damage per orb 23.3 / 38.3 / 53.3 / 68.3 / 83.3 (+ 13.3% AP) Total Magic damage 70 / 115 / 160 / 205 / 250 (+ 40% AP)

E- 60 / 100 / 140 / 180 / 220 (+ 40% AP)

now zoes kit only really relies around Q and its range damage now lets look at some other burst mages

Annie

Q- Deals 80/115/150/185/220 (+80% Ability Power) magic damage W- 70/115/160/205/250 (+85% Ability Power) R- 150/275/400 (+65% Ability Power) Tibbers burns nearby enemies for 10/15/20 (+10% Ability Power) per second and attacks for 50/75/100 (+0) as magic damage

Lux

Passive - dealing 20 - 190 (based on level) (+ 20% AP)

Q - 50 / 100 / 150 / 200 / 250 (+ 70% AP) E - 60 / 105 / 150 / 195 / 240 (+ 60% AP) R - 300 / 400 / 500 (+ 75% AP)

those champions just being a few champions that are considered the burst mages Rest being here http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Burst_champion

basically unlike other burst mages whos abilities have decent ap scailing and better reliability zoe doesnt have that

like lux and annie have 3 abilities that do damage.. tho zoe has 1 decent ability because more or less all of her damage is put into the Q ... W can do damage but requires you to use summoner spells.. E damage isnt all that good but E can be broken by any damage taken by anything..

but just basically other burst champions have a full kit that can do their burst while zoe doesnt her kit is focused on trying to get long Qs off and even taking the risk for even longer Qs

tho eh people probably dont care to try and see the point im trying to make so im ready for all the downvotes and hate tho for anyone who takes the time to read.. think and try to understand the point im making.. thank you

3 Comments

Dark Nephthys1 votes

What real dangers does she have using her ultimate to get longer range Q? Yea I guess they could hit her with an ability within that 1 second and kill her, but they would either have to have good reflexes or would predict that to pull it off, and chances are they'll ult into you when you're already hit with her E so you can't react to it. Hitting her with CC when she jumps in makes no difference because she'll just teleport back to her original spot and your CC would be gone by the time you can make up that difference.

Also none of those champions on that list (Except for Ahri Leblanc which are more AP Assassin than Burst mage anyways) really don't have much mobility...I mean sure Lissandra's E kind of is but it's low range and slow, and TwistedFate is a really high CD Ultimate. Yes Zoe only has 1 actual damaging ability in a way (Though she has damage on all her abilities but for her ultimate) but that Q and ultimate are also on really low CDs which are like 3 seconds when you get max CDR. Trying to hit her when she can just constantly jump around every 3 seconds is really annoying. Yes we know where she'll end up when she returns but if she used her ult to dodge an ability then it's already pointless to bother.

Personally, her damage itself isn't what I have a problem with. Yes it's insanely strong but I do believe her damage is some what fair as it is basically the equivalent of a burst mage's entire kit in 1 ability (though 3-4 Second CD on max CDR for such a thing is bs imo) but my main issue is just the amount of stuff in her kit exactly. Mainly the fact that her E is such a strong CC. 2 Second sleep which basically deals like 220 + 40% AP True Damage why exactly did it have to be true damage when she already did a lot of damage on top of that CC getting CDR for landing it or if you miss it, it just turns into a zoning tool for 4 seconds because why not right?

That'll be like if Lux's Snare missed a target, when it reaches to its max range...it turns into her E that does true damage instead when it blows up. Could you imagine how OP that would be?

yeulx1 votes

yes her E is a strong CC but it can easily be broken out of.. say your in lane and you get hit by E try to get minions to aggro onto you and hit you when your about to go to sleep you have just enough time to try to get them onto you... and once they are youll wake up which i dont see people trying to do or say your in the jungle and get hit by zoes E.. try to target the nearest camp and have it hit you

YuGiHo1 votes

people complain so much but annie and lux do the same thing with more aoe

More from Gameplay

More by yeulx