Darius and Illaoi Nerfs (Read before downvote please :D)

VivaLaKitten·Jul 31, 2016·5 votes·1,134 views

As of now Darius and Illaoi are very strong but the problem doesn't come with Illaoi late game, it comes with the laning phase she has harass with Q, "you will take damage and leave lane for a bit" with E, and an anti gank ult to fix her just simply raise the cooldown on E (and hopefully ult too) please, so she cant use it every time you try getting some cs / every time you try ganking Darius is currently very broken, as he can hit someone 5 times, then pretty much just ult, hit someone once then ult, hit someone once then ult and so on for an easy penta he can also heal massively with his low cooldown pretty high damage Q, you say just "kite" him but he has a pull, and with "ghost" he'll catch up to you, even if you're a swifty boots Teemo to fix him, please just raise the cooldown on his Q and make his passive less powerful please ^

34 Comments

LeaguePastryJul 31, 20165 votes

Darius is not even banworthy, currently. The point of his kit is that he is extremely easy to kite and punishes mistakes hard with his combo. If you are caught, then you were simply out of place. I don't know if you've noticed, but hitting people five times is very difficult, which keeps him very much in the doghouse. People in lower elo's are especially vulnerable to this. He epitomizes the concept of a juggernaut quite well. Illaoi is a bit different, as kiting doesn't do much if you get caught by her E. However, the cooldown is actually extremely long for a normal spell and the projectile is very slow. Learning to dodge and position are perfect ways to learn how to counter these guys. Try again next time? item 3070

VivaLaKittenJul 31, 20161 votes

No, you simply can't outplay a "pro" playing Darius, someone who knows how to play him will accomplish the 5 hit combo either with "ghost" "pull" or "exhaust" as well as his "w" which is a slow, less experienced players as Darius against experienced players of course wont be able to get off his 5 hit combo, but someone who does know how to do it will. The potential is what matters and both champs have a ton of it as for Illaoi's E and ult cooldowns, a gank happens once every two minutes or so if the jungler is trying to help the lane, and her ult being up just prevents it. How long is her E cooldown? because on average it forces me out of lane for 15 seconds

AstôlfoJul 31, 20161 votes

Implying anyone at your level of playing will ever be a pro. And once you get better (if you do) to be playing with said pros, you'd be gokd enough to dodge a skillshot. And no, her ult does not automatically prevent ganks. It means you need to be smarter about said gank.

ShaaolinAug 1, 20161 votes

20 sec rank 1 also can be blocked by minions and very slow and short projectile (yasuo can windwall it also) and also roots you (while casting).

TheOvermindJul 31, 20163 votes

Sounds like a salty teemo main that got dumpstered while mindlessly poking them and shoving them under turret.

VivaLaKittenJul 31, 20161 votes

not at all, and you're very immature

TheOvermindJul 31, 20163 votes

On the contrary the only immature crybaby here is you, running to the boards to complain about 2 champions that frustrate you. Well bad news sunshine, these champs are lane bullies and game's got plenty of em. Deal with it. What are you gonna do in re life when you encounter such instances ? Go to your mama and cry ?

VivaLaKittenJul 31, 20161 votes

politely asking for nerfs and giving reasons and possible solutions is being a crybaby to you? also you're being very rude and unless you change your attitude I'm done speaking with you

TheOvermindJul 31, 20162 votes

You need to understand that life's hard and is gonna present you with various problems, I'm sorry if I came up as rude but you need to understand that when something frustrates you, you can't straight up rush to ask for its removal or tone down, especially when you don't fully understand it. You basically describes what a lane bully is when u talked about illaoi and asked for straight up nerfs. Then you complained about darius' teamfight capabilities and his resets, but instead you ask for q and passive nerfs. Do you understand how illaoi works ? The fact that she is the weakest champion without her tentacles, or that she is an immobile piece of meat without her ultimate? You feel obligated to gank her when she has her ult up, then it is your fault that you take the risk and fight her through that. Have you not learned yet that 2v1 is not always an easy kill? You understand that singed can "1v5" if 5 ppl mindlessly chase him in his poison. Yet why don't you understand that illaoi can 1v2 in her ultimate ? You basically play by their terms in those 2 examples. As for darius you clearly have no idea how to effectively kite ( difference between simply running away, and throwing spells and cc at him as he chases) nor do you have any idea how hard it is to kill 5 people with his ultimate.

ItsOrvalJul 31, 20162 votes

Darius and Illaoi arent overpowered, its the people that feed them because they dont know how to lane against them that makes them overpowered. They dont need nerfs at all, especially darius. Just build health + armor and youll do fine.

VivaLaKittenJul 31, 20161 votes

Darius does need some sort of nerf, he is too good at what he does and it takes a lot of effort to lane against Illaoi, it's just not fun at all

TrollmanshipJul 31, 20163 votes

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Darius does need some sort of nerf, he is too good at what he does and it takes a lot of effort to lane against Illaoi, it's just not fun at all

Darius may be above the "average" champion but he doesn't match up to any of the real problem OP champions which basically means he won't be touched. And that's probably fair. Illaoi on the other hand is completely broken but gameplay and bronze seems to love her.

VivaLaKittenJul 31, 20162 votes

Darius doesn't in say professional gameplay since that's what everyone says Riot cares about idk :/ but in casual gameplay he's more than a nuisance, he's worse than Teemo's and Leblanc's kits combined Also; first comment to not mock me (well and Orvals' <3) in some way for this, congratz at least there are some (nice?) people on here ^ u ^

Handy Sandy Jul 31, 20162 votes

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As of now Darius and Illaoi are very strong

No, no they actually aren't. If there was a real problem with them then riot would have fixed it by now. Why don't you use these two champions and see for yourself how strong they really are?

VivaLaKittenJul 31, 20161 votes

they are :P and it's not so much a real problem as it is a unfair advantage in some situations also, my first and last game as Darius I won lane no problem on a computer I wasn't use to, also winning the game . - .

Handy Sandy Jul 31, 20162 votes

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they are :P and it's not so much a real problem as it is a unfair advantage in some situations also, my first and last game as Darius I won lane no problem on a computer I wasn't use to, also winning the game . - .

A win doesn't prove a champion is OP.

VivaLaKittenJul 31, 20161 votes

my first game, as a champion on a computer that I wasn't used to proves how easy to play he is

TTK DreadnoughtJul 31, 20161 votes

Easy to play =/= Overpowered.

PayaThePapayaJul 31, 20162 votes

Diamond Smurf here. Darius and Illaoi aren't really overpowered. Darius's passive is incredibly powerful yes and his heal/passive are difficult to deal with but he has very obvious weaknesses and he's very limited. He's easily kited and although he's a lane bully, a smart player can dodge his q by running away or running close to him. If the handle hits the enemy, they take half damage and dont get a stack of bleed. This coupled with the cast time is a high risk high reward ability. If Darius misses, he can be heavily punished. Darius is very easy to poke down from a distance and he is a champ that does not compliment his team very well and require teammates to compliment him for him to be useful in teamfights. Because of this, Darius is only a strong laner in low elo and a moderate teamfighter. Even when I'm smurfing, I'd never take Darius in an elo higher than gold because he's so limited.

Illaoi may seem OP but she's actually not. Her ult is somewhat kiteable and it's based off the amount of people in her ult range, which is also incredibly easy to bait. Her abilities take a massive cast time making it incredibly easy to kite. Personally I love vsing Illaois because I know that I can simply outplay them on more or less any champ.

FiddlesOnTheRoofJul 31, 20162 votes

Darius isn't very good at all. So easy to cc and kite. Illaoi is crazy good when you enter her zone of control. That's ok. There's clear counter play. A problem I've noticed is that people who cry for nerfs have rarely played ANY games on said champion. Try them a few rooms. It helps you learn your windows of opportunity against them. Darius is a lane bully but doesn't perform very well in team fights against competent cc. Illaoi is strong if you enter her territory, but is worthless otherwise.

TheLazySunbroJul 31, 20162 votes

item 3123 take that as 1st item I don't give a shiit who you playing, this thing kills them early and pretty much wins you lane

LolWutNaniQueJul 31, 20162 votes

I recommend baiting his Q or E out. Most Dariuses are very predictable in how they use their skills - they always try to use E first. And they should. He's a completely transparent, 1 trick-pony champion. Just fake going inside his E range and then use an escape skill back out right away. Then you can farm CS and not worry about him for 20 whole seconds.

Or, you can just call a gank early. As long as you don't feed him any unnecessary kills, Darius doesn't win 2v1s. And he'll naturally become a scrub the longer he's 0/0/0.

VivaLaKittenJul 31, 20162 votes

Wow, who knew everyone would be such jerks on a thread that wasn't offensive in anyway

VivaLaKittenJul 31, 20161 votes

I guess lots of people main Darius and Illaoi, that would make sense :P please explain why this shouldn't happen instead of downvoting mindlessly because you don't want your main balanced

BeatzBoyFTWJul 31, 20162 votes

Just like everyone said, play Darius & Illaoi yourself in order to experience the difficulty of playing those champions, since according to OP.GG you do not have a single game of you playing them yourself. Seems as how you think playing Darius or Illaoi would be an ez lane win for you, play about 10 games yourself & let's see about it.

VivaLaKittenJul 31, 20161 votes

I have tons of games played as Illaoi, and I played Darius on another account >.> idk what your sources are

BeatzBoyFTWJul 31, 20163 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=VivaLaKitten

Not a single Illaoi game at all.

Darius is currently very broken, as he can hit someone 5 times, then pretty much just ult, hit someone once then ult, hit someone once then ult and so on for an easy penta

^ Doesn't look anything like you said about "played Darius a lot". I've been to Boards all the time, and this is an argument who doesn't know Darius's kit at all. All you said here are simply what he does according to the gameplay tip, but totally nothing about how & when to apply his abilities, conditions of using them etc.

And you ask ME about where I get my "sources"......

VivaLaKittenJul 31, 20161 votes

Illaoi isn't on there because Nexus Siege isn't on there, since I played her in that gamemode as of most recently also, you could be less rude while saying these things it also appears Illaoi isn't in some of the games I played her on bots so something's wrong with that page :/