this champ is so trash, and there is nothing Riot can do save a full rework of him that will change that. And frankly, he is just a blitzcrank clone.
What does blitzcrank do? he grabs you with Q, CCs you with E and his W gives him movement speed to get into and out of situations.
The only significant deference is that unlike Pyke, blitzcrank can be a tank.
in a world where 
exist, pyke will never break out into his own.
Kürohyøu6 votesPykes good. Sounds like you play with bad pykes. You're supposed to only channel q from within a bush, otherwise you w in, get your instant q 90% slow, then e for a guaranteed flash or stun. Its not rocket science. But yeah, a lot of pykes suck. They stand in the middle of the lane and channel their q.
Clockwork Mouse1 votesOk, so he has an ability that is useless unless you use it from in a bush, or unless you flash. Yeah, he is trash
Daddy Ants5 votesLOL.
Pyke is strong af.
BrightWîngs4 votesIm sorry It appears you left your brain at home
PrismalDawn3 votesThe fuk
Clockwork Mouse1 votesEvery game he is in you might as well be playing a 4v5. He is never gonna hit that Q, it is so telegraphed one would have to be drunk to let it hit them. And the same goes for his E. There is such a delay on it that you can just side step it. And his ult is so useless, good luck killing anyone with it, you basically have to hope your ADC can 1v2 while you be useless the whole laneing phases and then that you can be close enough to activate it. And then, if you actually get to use it, cross your fingers that the enemy doesn't just walk out of the big X shaped skill shot. It is fucking X shaped, just walk between the gaps. And Riot doesn't even let him build HP, they nerfed him so hard to be this support assassin that he will just forever be weak and useless.
PrismalDawn1 votesSounds like everyone plays him wrong then
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Every game he is in you might as well be playing a 4v5. He is never gonna hit that Q, it is so telegraphed one would have to be drunk to let it hit them. And the same goes for his E. There is such a delay on it that you can just side step it. And his ult is so useless, good luck killing anyone with it, you basically have to hope your ADC can 1v2 while you be useless the whole laneing phases and then that you can be close enough to activate it. And then, if you actually get to use it, cross your fingers that the enemy doesn't just walk out of the big X shaped skill shot. It is fucking X shaped, just walk between the gaps. And Riot doesn't even let him build HP, they nerfed him so hard to be this support assassin that he will just forever be weak and useless.
Didn't you just say that he's a clone and now calling him useless during the laning phase ?
Clockwork Mouse1 votesHe is a clone that is worse in every way. He even does less damage.
Akenero3 votesExcept he isn't? The logic of "he's just a blitz clone" would also apply to thresh, he pulls you, CC's you. Except thresh is better with lantern, so blitzcrank is now useless. Oh hey, Nautilus, he has a hook, more cc than thresh, and more mobility, so now thresh is useless. Do you see your failed logic here? These champions aren't exactly the same and have their own uses in different scenarios. Blitz is useful for his hook e combo. W and ult are hardly considered when talking about him. Thresh has an amazing hook, awesome peel, and a knock back, plus his wall slow. Naut has a good hook, self shield, large aoe slow, and guranteed knockup.
You know where pyke becomes unique? He has a hook that can be melee range to do more damage, or be a flip at close range. His w is a STEALTH, his e is a delayed stun that sets up with q really well, his ult is an execute. And his passive encourages a more selfish/hit & run playstyle. You don't understand the fact that, while the abilities serve similar purposes, they are mechanically different and therefore cannot be directly compared. Different mechanical differences, regardless of the end goal, mean that different use scenarios occur.
Clockwork Mouse1 votesHis W would be useful if it didn't alert everyone in the area he was nearby. As soon as that guy hits W, most people back off. You only use that for the movement speed and to help pock your passive.
The only way that Pyke will ever be good is if his E wasn't delayed, his W didn't alert everyone to his presents, his Q was faster, and if Riot let him build HP so he doesn't die so fast.
And Thresh and Natu do not have a movement speed ability for their W like Pyke and Blzcrank do, ergo they are not clones despite having similar abilities in their hooks comboed into CC. thresh's lantern itself is so powerful for so many reasons, and his ult is not a major damage dealing move like Pyke and Blitz either.
Sirsir3 votesAn undodgeable hook from stealth, into an instant large AOE stun, with a large health pool that he can restore about 80% of by backing off for 5 seconds
Not to mention massive utility that you would just turn him into the most OP bruiser in the game. Build all the HP/damage items, regen 4k health by popping into stealth for 5 seconds, still have decent damage, massive health pool, and a true damage execute
No wonder Riot doesn't use boards for balance
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Clockwork Mouse1 votesin what universe is his hook undodgeable? Casting it breaks his stealth and it takes way too long to wind up. He is slowed down as well, meaning most people can find time to avoid it very easily. But you are right, if you do manage to get a hook, and somehow they don't walk to the side of your you can do something to contribute to the game.
Kai Guy1 votesPretty much any one your teammates hard CC a target + Any time you flank well and land the E stun and position to use Q as a fling. Cuz you know, same displacement no matter the charge or the range it hits.
Can also use E to break stealth and get a med range Q off befor the shadow catches up and snag the stun and fling.
Clockwork Mouse1 votesPyke's job is to be doing the hard CC. What other champ that is a CC monster needs all this set up to do basic stuff?
Kai Guy1 votesYou asked when his hooks are undodgable I gave you a common situation, working off a teammates CC + the very basic combo of using positioning, W,E,Q for a fling. Which is entirely out of Pykes kit.
Again you really need to account for what his kit does, look at it on its own merits instead of using blitz best case vs pyke trying to match that. No one is going to take an argument seriously that Talon is weak because he cant Burst as hard as LB does with LB's item build. "Talon is trash because AP talon is trash!11!!!" I think not.
So once more, Pyke, His hook does not need max range, its the same displacement with low or max charge and at any distance. When it lands its 550 units of displacement every time. It takes all of 0.5 seconds to turn his Q into a hook, so its really easy to combo that with cc, be that off his E or his teamates.
meowwow72 votesfor me pyke is just to clunky for an assassin. his e has a bit of a delay on other spell cast so you can't just dash q to surprise someone
Sirsir1 votesBecause having a flash blitz hook on a regular cooldown would be too strong. Same with a proper stealth blitz hook, which is why his enemies are allowed to know when hes close.
SugeMinPikk2 votesShouldn't this be in memes&games?
Clockwork Mouse1 votesI know Pyke is a meme, but RIot doesn't think so yet
Warlord Rhinark1 votesPyke is just Blitzcrank for Assassin players.
Clockwork Mouse1 votesOnly you can build AP Blitz and he does way more damage then pyke does
Sirsir1 votesIts mostly the ult. You can get up to like an 800 health execute. That doubles the gold of a kill and has a reset. Play safe, look for hooks, then back out and look for ults. You have to be more patient with Pyke.
That and his mobility, blitz doesn't have a dash (or the ability to go over walls), and his speed up will then slow him down. Pykes hook slows him down but thats not a problem when you're trying to run away...
Clockwork Mouse1 votesYou can do a lot of damage with his ult, but that would require your enemy to let the game go out into late game or to be a bunch of potatoes and let themselves get caught out again and again. Pyke should realistically never get enough gold to do his job right, and if he does he is still the weakest assassin out there, and just a bargain bin blitzcrank.
Sirsir1 votesPretty sure a 500-2500 true damage ult that doubles gold is a good reason to pick a champion
Clockwork Mouse1 votesIf it was reliable. You will only be able to get there if you can survive his dismal laning phase and somehow get fed. You are working on only support gold if you didn't forget, and to do that kind of damage you will need at least 4 items
Sirsir1 votesDismal laning phase? Yeah you just haven't seen a good pyke yet. Like any hooker his lane is about as strong as his carrys. And its a pretty reliable ult if your target doesn't have flash up.
A simple Duskblade/BF build at level 11 trips for 526, not even counting runes which would probably bump it to at least 540. Roughly 1/3 of the ADCs health pool at that time.
with electrocute is typically enough to put a squishy champ in ult range.
Kai Guy1 votesQ as if its a blitz hook is typically misuse as the charge time prevents many uses that Blitz Q would just land. Compairing them to situations Blitz Q is superior is only going to create a bias viewpoint. If all we are doing is takeing blitzes best case and trying to force Pyke into that mold he will look inferior because its not his job.
Pyke Q is multi use. Look if folks are only going for max range hooks then engaging its a mistake as that is not the core of his gameplay and its not his most succufull playpattern. Using that as a baises for why Blitz has a better hook is a mistake. Blitz Q is hands down the strongest displacement basic ability. However Pyke Q displacement is the same at all ranges, blitz scales down as it gets closer. This makes pyke Q when partially charged to a toss a stronger Displacement at point blank then Blitz Q, as it will function as a fling. End result? Pyke Q has higher functionality then Blitz Q the closer to enemy champions. Additionaly he can engage on folks inside of a minion wave as q Tapping it can get thru minions and apply soft CC setting up other aspects of his kit.
If you want im happy to engage in a conversation on the pros and cons of Pyke. How ever you don't seem to really care about logic or be willing to drop a viewpoint of holding everything up to a blitz best case and measuring pyke to that. Just gonna get bias results with that viewpoint. If we set it so that pyke best cases are the measurement Blitz would fall short. Please set reasonable expectations for a kits functionality for what the kit itself does and don't make your entire arguments around biased comparisons.