Players should have the option to ping "Need Vision"

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I'm actually really interested/invested in us creating more pings for players to use. When we made the "enemy vision here ping", we talked a bit about whether we could/should make more, but given the tech limitations (couldn't swap out pings on the ping wheel), I opted instead to just do the highest use case one (that the bush has a ward in it to warn your teammates). With the emotes wheel tech being complete, I'm hopeful that we'll actually be able to do stuff like this in the near future with some sort of configurable ping wheel (or maybe even a second one?). Your specific idea also came up in the dev corner post I made last december looking for dope ideas for 2018 (https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/aG96Psz9-featureqol-changeidea-generator-for-2018-and-beyond?sort_type=best&comment=0030), so it's obvious that the demand is there.

I'd love for us to be able to expand this beyond adding the "need vision here" ping, so here's an open question for all you folks reading this. Assume that you were in a game and had neither voice comms, or the ability to type. What are the most useful ping additions you think would be valuable for helping you coordinate with a team?

Ping Pitch: The "shit nvm" ping

Use case: I just pinged that my enemy laner was mia, but then they came back into the lane out of fog of war. I'd love to be able to ping "nvm" or erase the initial ping to let my team know that there's no imminent threat.

I think the best course of action once you can is just to increase the amount of pings on the ping wheel (like Overwatch). That way you avoid having to swap out pings or have different hotkeys for different pings and all that jazz.

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Ping Pitch: The "shit nvm" ping

Use case: I just pinged that my enemy laner was mia, but then they came back into the lane out of fog of war. I'd love to be able to ping "nvm" or erase the initial ping to let my team know that there's no imminent threat.

Something that i always wanted but only discovered now. wow

I'd rather if pinging them on the scoreboard wrote In Fog of War or Missing instead of Alive. Also it would have a built-in timestamp in case allies don't have them enabled.

Might be a personal preference though.

I'll just link this, a discussion recently made in the EU boards.

not sure how you would implement this but at the moment you have the option to target ping champions and that's usually what i do if i ping missing and they immediately return... what if you could open another ping wheel when pinging enemy champions with options like; "champion has returned" "champion is Level 6" "champion has 30% health" etc. (just brainstorming now )

Thanks for reading

Can we get a "Get the fuck outta my lane ping" for when spamming danger 6 times on the jungler isn't enough? Like, bro, I'm under my tower with a wave and a half of minions, this is NOT the time to gank the full HP illaoi who has R while you're on half HP.

Obviously the ping symbol would be a giant "REPORTED" in red text (maybe flashing too, or cycling through various shades of yellow to orange to red) and the sound would be nails on a chalkboard so they can't ignore it. Make it a special case where it's unmuteable too. Maybe it could also spawn some fake honeyfruit overlays in the river? Junglers seem to like those about as much as taxing my lane, maybe it would dissuade them somewhat

Pls Rito this would make me almost as happy as the Aatrox rework that I've been waiting for since 2 years ago

An idea to go around the tech limitations of the wheel, is to follow what Smite does. Press V, brings up a box of things, (Press V again for these options, A for THESE options,) Its reaaaaallly cool cause it lets people do very specific callouts within a maximum of 3 clicks. You can implement this with the customizable ping wheel for if you need to access a certain ping real quick.

I think "enemy here" ping could be used to communicate variety of messages.

Is your laner missing? Ping the river. Did you see the enemy jungler heading to topside? Ping topside enemy jungle. Is the enemy invading? Ping your jungle. Did you missing ping but the enemy came back? Ping your lane again. Is the enemy splitpushing and nobody is responding? Ping the lane that's being pushed. It would be ideal to combine this with other pings (like pinging "Ahri:Alive" before pinging the river), but this can be very useful.

How about making a custom ping tab like with emotes ? Just put anything reasonable in there and people will use what they want.

Aside from the cancel ping, not much. You can already ping most UI elements to report them in chat, and that covers about 90% of the info most people need. A vision request ping as the OP suggests would also be kind of nice, but that is liable to go off into the weeds fast given the insanely restricted amount of vision in the game right now.

I would however love to see:

1. HP and resource bar pings actually show both the percentage and the exact value. There's a pretty big difference between a Sivir with no mana items having 5% mana, and a Ryze with fully stacked RoA and Seraph's having 5% mana.

2. Easier way to quickly ping enemy summoner spells and ult down. Maybe have a ping-wheel pop up when you try to ping an enemy and hold the button, with the default being targeting or avoiding depending on alert or retreat ping, and then have options to ping summoners and ult as 3 of the 4, with the other one being the opposite of the default.

3. The ability to more readily customize ping sounds. Right now, it's pretty much impossible to distinguish most pings by sound alone, and therefore I always have to check chat and usually the minimap pretty much immediately when someone pings something. It would be nice to know more quickly what it is if it's not visible on-screen.

4. A possible alternative to the ping wheel that doesn't need the mouse. I've commented a couple of times before that I really prefer SMITE's hot-key based menu for selecting pings. Using a sequence of about 3-4 keystrokes, you can convey enough info that you can even do some rudimentary high-level strategization with your team (as in asking someone to split push while the rest of the team forces another lane) without needing to use chat at all. I'm not saying League needs things that expressive (most people in SMITE use about 2 dozen of the ping options, but they have separate pings for each lane because they do vocal callouts for the pings instead of just a simple noise), but at least having the option to ping like that for things that require you targeting part of the UI instead of the map would be nice.

Need vision, Bait, Engage.

New ping wheel would have Warded, Bait, Engage, Need Vision. (top/right/bottom/left)

Make it so the current ping wheel is accessible from alt/g and the new ping wheel is accessible from ctrl/v.

Pressing the other key makes you enter negation mode. So Alt+Ctrl+dragging or Alt+dragging+Ctrl would give you these options: Safe, Not Going, Don't Need Help, Enemy is Back.

And Ctrl+Alt+dragging or Ctrl+dragging+Alt would give: Not warded, They Know, Don't Engage, Don't Ward Yet.

Finally, the ability to ping enemy ults from the scoreboard would be nice.

I would be 100% on board for having pings that have no default hotkey, and are only available if you add them in a menu.

could even do it like the emote wheel--you know which pings you use most in game, so you can create a wheel for them. (or, you know, just change hotkeys when u die, like i do)

not sure how adding a new ping changes or modifies the fact anyone can spam ANY ping 6 times.