Warwick nerfed too hard? Comments? Suggestions? Agree or Disagree?

Egyptian Cottonn·Dec 25, 2014·6 votes·2,683 views

As we all know Warwick was a beast in 4.20 and had to be taken care of. But I believe riot took it way too far. I could care less about his w nerf, but the longer ult cd (nerf prior to 4.21), lower ult damage, and nerfs to his primary jungle items (especially tweaked for ww) are just way too much for ww to deal with all at once. Riot is nerfing ww as a CHAMP, but he is the same champ as before the new SR. What they need to do is nerf ww as a JUNGLER. Basically, what made warwick powerful in patch 4.20 was his sustain. That is what should be nerfed. Warwick will almost always have the least damage in the game. He isn't valued for his damage as much as he is valued for his utility (suppression, objective control). What I would have done is maybe tweak his passive to make him sustain less against monsters, make him rely mostly on his q for sustain in the jung, which in turn will make him choose whether he wants to spend his mana in the jung or during ganks. Or just take away his passive sustain from monsters all together. I mean there are hundreds of ways to address the actual issue (sustain), instead of nerfing ww in areas that are not the problem.

What do you guys think? Do you think warwick is still playable as he is now in the jung? Do you think he needs to be nerfed more? less? leave him be? Maybe you have your own ideas on how to balance him out?

I would love to hear your suggestions and opinions :)

14 Comments

ImHerVoiceDec 25, 20142 votes

rewmove sabre. Then warwick can have his unnerfed self back. Sabre makes him broken.

BialconelliJan 11, 20151 votes

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rewmove sabre. Then warwick can have his unnerfed self back. Sabre makes him broken.

UP@ + + +

Remove Sabre or balance it more and Warwick will be same champion how he was in Season 4. Is that so hard ?

Egyptian CottonnJan 2, 20152 votes

Thanks for the replys guys.

Please understand that I am not saying warwick should return to the way he was in 4.20 because there is no question he was overpowered.

But when riot nerfed him they attacked him from all angles:

Devourer was nerfed. The way skirmishers worked was changed in a way to hurt warwick (when from on hit true damage to a 3 sec true damage burn). Nerfed ult. Twice. Nerfed w.

**I do agree that devourer was overpowered in general and not just on warwick and that was an appropriate nerf. Same even with the skirmisher nerf. But in light of those you would think that the ult base damage reduction would no longer be needed. I mean keep the w nerf. keep the ult cd nerf. But you already hurt his damage like crazy nerfing his main items. No need for more. **

While I agree there is little counterplay for ganks (besides vision), that is what ww is known for: powerful ganks. As soon as the other team groups it is very rare you will get your full ult off as the other team can easily cancel it with cc. You also have qss. I mean there is obviously counter-play which is why ww isn't being used at a high level (excluding patch 4.20 of course).

Cale017Dec 25, 20141 votes

Warwick is supposed to be baby's first jungler. His kit gives him everything you need to have strong dueling potential and sustain that you can use without having to worry about managing resources to do it. He shouldn't be a power pick, and I'd rather see Warwick overnerfed than underestimated. We've seen how oppressive it can be when extremely straightforwards kits are given the opportunity to abuse mechanics.

AtheosisXDec 25, 20143 votes

Warwick has mana issues so I wouldn't say he has no resources to manage.

Cale017Dec 25, 20141 votes

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Warwick has mana issues so I wouldn't say he has no resources to manage.

I said that his sustain has no resources to manage, like what Lee Sin's does for example. Warwick's sustain in the jungle comes largely from just his passive.

BeatzBoyFTWDec 25, 20141 votes

You obviously never witnessed multiple Warwick assassins who just kills a single squishy simply by having these simple steps:

Get sufficient Devourer stacks
Hit ult
Hit Q
You have slain an enemy.

He may still retain his sustain right now, but I think in terms of damage output, he may fall hard, or skilled players would pull him up again.

papoomioDec 25, 20141 votes

I played a lot of WW in season 4. He was never great at damage. He never made it into competitive play, except when Darien from Gambit played him a couple of times in top lane. So his sustain is good in the new jungle, but his nerfs make him so much weaker than Season 4, and he was underplayed in season 4! Someone said above, that they didn't need to nerf WW the champ, they needed to nerf his jungle sustain. I can't even imagine that anyone would ever consider him in top lane now.

ifauxDec 25, 20141 votes

I will admit that since his nerf he has significantly easier to kill with champions like Xin Zhao, though if he shows up to fight, let's say, Ashe she's dead. Warwick with MS runes + boots completely negates Ashe's 35% movement speed reduction.

Slushi SimcambiDec 25, 20141 votes

Gonna be honest here, Warwick is, in my opinion, one of the most unfun champions to play against in league.

He presses R, he is on you and there is nothing you can do as your health slwoly whittles down, presses q, dead. No conunterplay.

And of course if you somehow live to flee, he has his W so good luck with that.

Rather have him in a limited capacity than be the unkillable monster he was.

Sira RenDec 25, 20142 votes

Buy a Quicksilver Sash and activate when you are ulted by WW. That's your counter-play.

Bears Dont CareDec 25, 20144 votes

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Gonna be honest here, Warwick is, in my opinion, one of the most unfun champions to play against in league.

He presses R, he is on you and there is nothing you can do as your health slwoly whittles down, presses q, dead. No conunterplay.

And of course if you somehow live to flee, he has his W so good luck with that.

Rather have him in a limited capacity than be the unkillable monster he was.

Pardon? how many champs tap R and you can't do anything about it? Let's do a list! Akali Alistar Amumu Annie Ashe Azir Blitzcrank Caitlyn Cassiopeia Chogath Darius Diana DrMundo Evelynn Fiddlesticks Fiora Galio Garen Gragas Janna JarvanIV Kalista Karthus

Not the entire list but you get the point.

Many champion ultimtes are easy to land, with little to no counterplay. This whole thing that Warwick is some, unique champion who taps R and annihilates you is ignorant and foolish. I can list many other champions who can use their entire combo just like Warwick and kill you, and gasp many of them can actually do more after the combo. It just so happens that WW only has 2 abilities that deal damage so R then Q, thats his entire combo. Afterwards, he does nothing.

Unlike Katarina...Jarvan...and many other champions with better team potential.

Warwick's W is an AS steroid. E is a conditional MS buff. Know your champ. Git gud

Or just...cry like everyone else does about a champion who is completely irrelevant! That seems to be the best option. Common sense has no place here.

WW was nerfed far too hard. Targething his Attack speed steroid was unnecessary, and made his already slow jungle clearing even slower. Nerfing the base damage of his ult was again, unnecessary because the issue was skirmisher's effect. In order to make up for this base damage loss, WW has no choice but to build skirmisher, wit's end, and blade of the ruined king. AP WW really cannot be afforded since all of his damage is in his AA's, and his ult.

Riot over nerfed him.

Solidair3Dec 25, 20141 votes

Honestly, he fills his niche jut fine. Warwick is meant to be THE premiere sustain jungler with low gank potential until 6, and fairly-sustained gank potential until the enemy buys a quicksilver sash.

He is still that. I would MAYBE lower his ult cd, but otherwise he is in a good place, I feel. He does what he is meant to do, and he does it well.

Spacefight0rJan 3, 20151 votes

They could delete Warwick and I wouldn't consider it an overnerf. I've been saying this well before the 4.20 patch. Warwick is the most stupidly braindead champion in the game and under no circumstance should he ever be in even a playable state until he has been reworked.