Something reguarding Blue Kayn passive

im a moron·Sep 20, 2017·1 votes·2,733 views

So currently, I'm into blue Kayn, though regarding his passive, I have some minor concerns reguarding its clarity.

For those who have never seen blue Kayn (because all you see is Raast), basically Shadow Assassin's passive states that Kayn's damage is amplified by adding additional magic damage to the total damage you deal for 3 seconds (refreshed after you leave an enemy champion with your ultimate)

Seeing shadow assassin's passive is incredibly important when it comes to assassinations, especially when your behind because that damage amplification is litterally your only safety net to get back in the game + heavy reliance on ultimate to refresh the damage amplification (which is kinda why red kayn is much better than Blue Kayn, because its much easier to stay in the game with Red Kayn thanks to his constant sustain, while for blue is much harder, seeing getting on the enemy isn't quite as fast as someone like Zed, and you're just as squishy, you also need to rely on your ultimate more to refresh the passive, otherwise you do no damage.)

I feel there should be a more obvious indicator to when your passive is active, and inactive so you can more properly pace your DPS (asides from looking at your ability preview and seeing if your passive is on CD, or looking at your buffs bar)

Perhaps when shadow assassin's passive is available, Kayn's scythe begins to glow a blue smoke, signalling that your damage at this moment will be amplified for three seconds.

The scythe stops glowing after 3 seconds of using it, maybe making a "bong" noise or something showing that your passive has timed out.

Hopefully this'll make it easier to pace blue kayn's damage when doing burst and knowing when to refresh your passive with ultimate.

I doubt this'll bring blue kayn into the meta, I just feel like the passive is too important to just let the player just guess when his passive has timed out to cast ultimate

(not sure if blue Kayn needs actual buffs, because he already does good damage if you know how to make full use of the passive and duskblade, we'll have to see if red Kayn is still dominant if an assassin meta passes by, because if Red is still a thing in a meta where blue kayn should be dominating, then there should be for sure numbers changes, for now, I'm just concerned with clarity of passive)

6 Comments

Tristanl0lSep 20, 20171 votes

no. the game doesnt need to be made easier for no reason. look at your ability bar. how do you know when your Q is off cooldown? when it's isn't counting down on your hud. you don't have an indicator on your champion telling you which of your 4 abilities is available. this is identical to the Diana getting a counter on the buff bar for her passive. you dont need it. aatrox doesn't have one for his W, nor does he need it. changes like this don't need to happen just because a few players feel it's inconvenient to not have his model fucking glowing when his passive is up. 4 out of 5 times I play Kayn, I'm shadow assassin. his passive is an 8 second cooldown that resets when he presses R, it's not hard to know when it's available again

https://i.imgur.com/GDNw2hQ.png

im a moronSep 21, 20171 votes

I'm not talking about making Kayn easier at all, I'm talking about making his passive clearer. (And it seems that my complaint here completely went over your head)

Yes, I know his passive has a cooldown display on the hub like the abilities, but his ability icons are roughly twice as big, and my concern is NOT knowing if your passive is off cooldown, I already know it's going to be off cooldown the second you start entering combat with an enemy champion. My problem has NOTHING to do with the passive cooldown at all, im perfectly fine with how the indicator shows that it's on cooldown ATM.

(And no, Kayn's passive is nothing like Diana passive because you can already keep track of Diana passive by actually counting your auto attacks)

The problem is I see Kayn's passive to be just like getting Nunu bloodboil once you enter combat, without any visual indicator telling you it's still up, once you enter combat, you are only given a rough idea of when your passive is going to end (instead of reliably counting your auto attacks with Diana passive), it's unclear when you stop doing damage and when your passive buff expires and so on.

(Also being mastery 7 on Kayn isn't very valid evidence, mainly because the nature of Kayn, for all I know you may know red more than blue Kayn, that's like me saying "I think I have taken brain damage" and you saying "I'm a psychologist, you seem to be acting normally". No, yes your a psychologist and you know about the brain, but I need a frigging Neurologist to know what I'm actually concerned with)

(Neurologist being someone who only plays blue Kayn, and knows riot's belief in clarity)

Tristanl0lSep 21, 20171 votes

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for all I know you may know red more than blue Kayn

good thing i clearly stated I normally play blue kayn

im a moronSep 21, 20171 votes

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good thing i clearly stated I normally play blue kayn

slurps tea Be careful what you say...

You better read every word I say because Because clearly https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/226469301614411777/360524214228353024/Screenshot_20170921-150845.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/226469301614411777/360524215167746049/Screenshot_20170921-150812.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/226469301614411777/360524216958844928/Screenshot_20170921-150806.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/226469301614411777/360524216958844929/Screenshot_20170921-150759.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/226469301614411777/360524217680134144/Screenshot_20170921-150837.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/226469301614411777/360524217680134145/Screenshot_20170921-150829.png

By analyzing you recent 9 games of Kayn (excluding that you rush Warrior and Black cleaver on Kayn, even though Blue Kayn doesn't utilize black cleaver well as opposed to red Kayn who can survive long enough to apply the armor shred on tanks, better starting items for blue Kayn is rushing duskblade second item after warrior, all people who have a good understanding of assassins should know this, instead of following the suggested list to gives you (because that changes once you change forms))

Your Kayn ratio shows you have played red Kayn for 4 games and blue Kayn for 3 games, while you change forms every other game instead of favoring one.

Well okay, perhaps you don't favor either Kayn, you are a mastery 7 Kayn main, so your point must still be valid right? Seeing with mastery 7 you must be dedicated to play plenty of Kayn like how I play plenty of mordekieser because I'm mastery 7 on Mordekieser.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/226469301614411777/360530827542659093/Screenshot_20170921-160036.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/226469301614411777/360526237170663424/Screenshot_20170921-154219.png Welp! I was wrong, looks like your match history shows you don't really consistently play any champ, at most, you seem to show favor for bruisers like Aatrox and Rek'sai (especially seeing your banner, most of your recent games show you play Rek'sai) which seems to imply you favor a very Raast like playstyle, despite you not playing enough Kayn to even explicitly say "I primarily play blue Kayn" when really you don't primarily play Kayn in general looking at your recent match history, and even if you do, you don't show favor for any form of Kayn (either that, or you don't know how to wait 4 minutes for blue Kayn, or properly pace yourself so you more reliably gank ranged lanes to get blue form)

And also Black Cleaver... Wh- I don't see blue Kayn synnergizing with black cleaver very well. Seeing your ability combo at most will apply 4 (plus auto) stacks of black Cleaver's armor shred, which is %based meaning its not even good armor penetration against Squishies as opposed to just the good ol Lethality.

By then, when you do reach the full 8 stacks of the Armor shred, your passive would have ended, or the enemy would be dead by then because you are an assassin.

Along with the fact that it's more of a health item for bruisers than a true offense item for assassins.

At most, duskblade is a way better option, you buy duskblade second item the same reason you buy black cleaver for red Kayn, because those items synnergize with those kits.

But hey "you are mastery 7 dedicated Kayn main, your words are always valid, just ignore my match history, because it's not like the champion mastery system really reflects my skill in the game or that particular champion, like how the highest mastery twitch main is unranked and goes grasp of the undying"

Tristanl0lSep 21, 20171 votes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/132815404048449536/357495660771278848/unknown.png

the only picture I need to post. I found a build that works virtually every game I play, so I stick with it. I don't play Kayn every game because I have friends that also like to jungle, so pardon me for not reflecting how much i played Kayn 2 weeks ago in my recent match history!! XD

also notice the one time i deviate from my build i lose.

lol !!

im a moronSep 22, 20171 votes

(oh pardon me for not considering that you last 13 or so games were with your pals)

Current Kayn ratio 5 Red, 5 blue Still following the order of switching forms other game xDDD

Also you don't say you frigging lost when you deviated from your normal build (building titanic first second on red Kayn), you didn't rush Black cleaver on RED Kayn, you were underperforming when you didn't build an item that synnergizes well on Red Kayn, along with the fact you are trying something you aren't used to lol

Like how you could be preforming better with Duskblade second item on an assassin who can render themselves invulnerable and invisible with their ultimate refreshing duskblade passive, while also amplifying Duskblade passive bonus damage to deal an additional 40% magic damage with your next auto attack, while being able to snowball even harder with an item who's stat (lethality) and passive damage scales with how hard you are leveling so its efficient to even rush it to snowball harder.

Either that, or rushing Black cleaver is something secretly OP that assassins should be rushing because it does something or something.

Movement speed? Yomous Health? Edge of Knight Armor shred? Lethality items CDR? Lethality items