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For the love of god please fix this out of control vision system you have created.

Grunt666··2 votes·748 views

Seriously, i cant explain how much i LOATHE, the vision system and "vision wars" that plague this game. Literally the warding system needs an massive retool it is sooo broken.

a)Max 1 ward per player on the map any time any type. So tired of the map being polluted with so many wards there is no fog of war.

b)The actual act of placing a ward is seriously the most broken abiltity in the game. Right now you get range to place it and it is instant cast? MEaning you can pretty much go where ever you want leaving your leading trail of wards quickly safely with little to zero risk for massive rewards.

Wards should not have a range to be dropped, they should have like teemo shroom placement type of range to be placed. Secondly the act of placing a ward should be a short channel, not instant.

Maybe that is too much change, honestly i dont think so though. Fog of war is there for a reason, and the easy abuse of warding literally removes that reason, and take all risk out of everything in this game if one team either gets ahead to abuse the vision system. There is literally no counter play to prevent someone from warding either. due to the range and it being instant cast. all you can do is either have a sweeper (gg sight stones they j7ust drop another instantly lol), or you buy a pink, which often is not viable because it means taking the time to go back and get a pink which often is a larger penality than the cost of the pink. So you just have to leave the ward there.

13 Comments

JustMyBassCannon5 votes

a) It's already limited to 4 wards per player, 3 normal and 1 pink. Even if everyone on the team places multiple wards in key locations, at best they can cover choke points on their half.

b) Why should a ward be channeled instead of instant? Why should it not have a range? What makes that broken? To what comparison are these abilities "broken"? The only analogy you use is Teemo, who is in desperate need of reworking.

Ventira2 votes

Sounds like someone is stuck in Season 3.

Are you not aware that each player can only have three active wards at a time, and one pink?

That's nowhere near the amount wards needed to cover the entire map.

48983507DEL11 votes

Wards are meant for tacitical vision at the cost of gold. With the current system of 3 wards per player, it is absolutely impossible to have every part of the map revealed at all times, making tactical ward placing seriously important. It means choosing to either light up your entire jungle for protection while sacrificing vision on their jungle or vice versa, or place wards in key locations in both jungles as well as places like baron/dragon pits, commonly passed places in lane or outside bases, or areas of brush during the laning phase. The risk comes from not getting caught when going to place the wards, as they enemy may notice you and kill you as well as kill your ward if you even placed it. The wards also cost gold, as I mentioned, and a lot of it if wards are bought in the appropriate amount, so getting caught and losing vison is a big risk to take for 75-300+ gold.

ValyrianBlade1 votes

Unless you're melee with no ranged abilities, if someone gets close enough to throw a ward in the bush you're waiting in, you should be able to ambush them as soon as they're within that range. Feral flare wards are different (MUCH larger range) but then again you only get 1 of those and it has a reasonable cooldown.

It's always weird to think you're playing safe going to drop a ward in a Bush and get ambushed while dropping the ward (the thought "I'd have been safer not warding" literally goes through my head) and that's counterintuitive. Not to mention wards night only cost 75g but if you're doing 3 per 90 seconds that's 150g per minute or 3k at 20 min, which is basically a full item at 20 min. Even if we assume 1/3 are free and slightly less often you're still looking at 1500g (close to a bf sword or needlessly large rod). If they buy a sightstone they need to base every few minutes to reload and they needed to buy the sightstone. In any instance wards are costly, and while worth it at all levels of play I think they're relatively well balanced.

AtheosisX1 votes

The vision system is one of the best things about this game...

Venompaw1 votes

wards are not cost efficient, go ahead spend 950g on wards, I'll buy something useful instead and beat you even if you ambush me.

DrCyanide3 votes

wards are not cost efficient, go ahead spend 950g on wards, I'll buy something useful instead and beat you even if you ambush me.

1 ward = 75 gold.

If it prevents a successful gank, it just cost the other team about 300 gold. If your team gets a kill, it just earned you about 300 gold. If it lets you push an objective because you know where more of the other team is, it lets you kill a tower, it gained your team about 500 gold.

Explain to me how 75 gold is less cost effective than that other item you're getting?

Venompaw

wards are not cost efficient, go ahead spend 950g on wards, I'll buy something useful instead and beat you even if you ambush me.

1 ward = 75 gold.

If it prevents a successful gank, it just cost the other team about 300 gold. If your team gets a kill, it just earned you about 300 gold. If it lets you push an objective because you know where more of the other team is, it lets you kill a tower, it gained your team about 500 gold.

Explain to me how 75 gold is less cost effective than that other item you're getting?

Sightstone = 950g.

Sightstone = waste of gold.

DrCyanide2 votes

Sightstone = 950g.

Sightstone = waste of gold.

Sightstone = 800g.

Sightstone is only a waste of gold if you place 10 or fewer wards per game (ignoring the health stat). Otherwise, it saves you money on wards.

wolfax1 votes

So all the pros that have everything warded as often as possible are just doing it wrong?

Mikal Pikal1 votes

This has got to be a sarcastic thread regarding how powerful vision is yet so many people fail to ward appropriately. Maybe I am reading too much into it though.

Sailor Mint1 votes

Total number of wards is already at an all time low compared to Season 3.

I remember playing support and having between 5 and 7 wards down at any given time, even more when contesting Baron. And replacing them was a lot easier back when you had Sightstone + 2 stacks of wards in your inventory.

You're lucky to have more 6 wards on the map right now, and replacing them is effectively a trip to base.

HyperSMB1 votes

Anyone who thinks warding isn't worth doing is nothing short of an imbecile.

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