After 3 years Warwick finally killed a lee sin, better fix that asap
and give old warwick 3 monster nerfs.
and give old warwick 3 monster nerfs.
Warwick got nerfed because he killed EVERYONE. Not just Lee sin. And he did it all with a single item and a pair of idiot-proof targeted abilities.
What's sad isn't that he got nerfed for it. Anyone would be. The sad part is that it TOOK something as broken as a targeted suppress/100-0 nuke to affect Lee Sin at all.
Warwick got nerfed because he killed EVERYONE. Not just Lee sin. And he did it all with a single item and a pair of idiot-proof targeted abilities.
What's sad isn't that he got nerfed for it. Anyone would be. The sad part is that it TOOK something as broken as a targeted suppress/100-0 nuke to affect Lee Sin at all.
Someone else who can 100-0 Lee Sin with ranged! is mal-.... good thing warwick is the only one who could do that right? RIGHT Q~Q
Malzahar isn't a tanky self-healing team buffing killing machine who still rapes your face even when you gank him.
I thought he was going to say Mal-phite
malphite op
Malphite is my secret weapon. He can work in any role.
Awkward assassin? You got it.
Impenetrable wall? Sure thing
Siege Engine? Ain't no thang but a chicken wing.
I remember the last time I played Malzahar against Lee Sin. I was carrying my team and Lee was carrying his until he got
QQSS . It was gg from there.
This. The issue here isn't that Warwick shouldn't get nerfed, it's that Lee Sin is allowed to persist in this state.
But I've said it before, he's a pet champion so don't expect nerfs any time soon.
so nerf the fucking item not the champion.
Didn't they do both?
technically the warwick nerfs were first then riot decided "oh yah das op 2 we shud nerf dat"
Balance department be like... "I SAID, DON'T REMOVE HIS ATTACK SPEED REDUCTION ON LEE'S E! YOU FOOLISH COWARDS... Why did you not listen? Why did you let this tragedy happen?"
Every time I actually kill a Lee Sin I imagine the player running to Riot and asking for buffs.
Which they get (directly or indirectly).
Balance! ~Uiru
Nevermind all the times he could kill Lee before this.
Nevermind all the times he could kill Lee before this.
nah, lee just pressed R and jumped over a wall
Ah, the famous "I press R, your suppression is negated" Trick. Gotta love those oranges, I mean, only Lee Sin could pull that off.
Aren't they changing GP too?
I think he's somewhere on the list. Not a very high priority though. Pretty sure Urgot is coming up soon. Poppy and Warwick are both top candidates for upcoming reworks.
better nerf irelia :^)
I find it hilarious that people still think this meme is clever after she got buff after buff and is now a lane dominator who turns into a late game monster.
: Ahem, you were saying? ;)
I actually think Darius needs some small buffs lol
If you think Darius is OP you suck, no way around it.
I think he was only referring to Darius being a lane dominator against melee tops.
he waslol
nope now its sona's turn
better nerf Sona!
better nerf Sona:^)
ftfy
Lol yeah playing against pre-nerf WW was so fun.
Step into same side of the map as WW, die instantly
IDK why GD so intent on hating Zed and Lee Sin. Honestly 90% of the time they're completely useless relative to button mash champs like Sejuani. You probably just remember getting rekt'd by insec plays more than Sejuani press R stun entire team.
Most people can't jungle sejuani properly, and the new jungle isn't kind to her. Zed and Lee Sin are FAR easier to dominate lower levels with. I will never forget that "rework" nerf they gave her :(. Her old ult was perfectly fine
#sonatreatment
Typical Riot balancing.
Another viable jungler besides lee sin is trying to come out!
KILL IT![]()
Lol dafuq you talking about. WW currently kills Lee Sin once he finishes devourer's, counterjungling 2 charges of smite is nearly impossible.
I think the people who want Lee nerfed so much are the people who can't play him lol. The reason why I think champs like Yi and WW are annoying is because they are BASIC and easy as hell to play. Lee can't carry, WW and Yi can. I know that Lee has a really good kit, but there are other champs out there with far better kits that nobody complains about. I'll stick to my theory that 99% of people who complain about Lee Sin can't play or out play him. Downvote it all you want, but you know it's true.
I disagree, Lee Sin got me into Gold Season 2. What bothers me is how safe he is. He is very mobile, has high sustain, and he has Both a Nuke on his ult and an execute on his Q2. That's what got Elise nerfed. Yet Lee still has more of each than Elise. The favoritism is annoying.
Well yeah Lee Sin has much more safety/mobility Elise has rappel which can only target enemies (so close to Lee Sin Q without needing to hit a skill shot) But Lee Sin also has Safeguard and his ult to disengage or get out of though spots
Lee Sin isn't an easy champion to play or win with after all if you miss Q you lose a lot of your power but he is a bit to safe... even if you aren't very good at Lee Sin if you just play it smart and don't suicide for kills you can probably avoid getting caught... or well even if you are caught you might be able to get out with an ult and safeguard and maybe a Q or flash too if necessary... Actually all of Lee Sin's skills can be used to help him get away
Q gap closing to an enemy target away from whoever is chasing you (a bit conditional but it can be really strong) W safeguarding to a ward/minion/champion E a slow to create more distance between you and the enemy R to push the enemy away and knock up others if they try to chase you
And Lee Sin having 350 base movement speed considering his mobility might be a bit unnecessary
But honestly Lee Sin isn't that strong... unless the Lee Sin player is good... and if that is the case it can feel a bit hopeless and like there is nothing you can do to stop him from jumping all around and destroying your team
Oh how I miss you.
remember 'ap warwick mid' where you built bloodrazor and just laughed as your ulti would destroy their health bar no matter who it was? :] then you q for a billion damage and heal for a billion health it was great
I think you are all missing the point, being for what ever reason any champion steps out of line they get hammered by the nerf bat and whined about being OP. It isnt even that they are OP it is more that in people's mind they have convinced themselves the hierarchy of power and who is allowed to kill who. AKa I play lee sin I am the king no one can challenge me...what the fuq? WW killed me ? what Bs i been stomping him for years, g dam this is broken need to nerf that.
you saw the same thing many times many roles, saw wut Sivir is able to compete as ADC? DAFUQ is that must be broken I always used to dominate sivir players better nerf that asap!
So here we are and WW is trash again and all the people who have convinced themselves WW players were their food to beat down all year round are happy again.
It wasn't warwick that was op. It was the new items. That true damage proc and devourers was op on him. They should have left him alone COMPLETELY and delt with those items 1st.
lol yalls memory is god awful if you think warwick was in a healthy state before those nerfs.
Warwick hasn't been in a good place before all the changes. then he gets a huge edge and everyone starts complaining. The issue isnt really even his kit, it was the items he was allowed to build that his ulti could proc. So it was never inherently a problem with warwick to begin with. The only time people started to even notice that he was strong was after the changes when he EXPLODED in usage.
But he wasnt uncounterable. You could still cc him out of his ulti, QSS, there are several ways to deal with it. It's more in the 1v1 scenario that you were f***ed. lol
same thing goes for zed ^^^
same thing goes for zed ^^^
Really same for zed? QSS nuts both of their ults, but WW ult is literally the only useful ability in his kit, and turns out the QSS not only removes his ult but most of his dmg is magic as well so it adds even more protection.
Next WW doesnt get to war back 2 screen lengths after his ult fails to kill you, nor does he has a slow, not does he have everything in his kit scale off AD, nor does one of his abilties offer a huge AD steroid.
Ya it is a joke comparing zed to WW zed is that much better even when WW could 100-0 people, trhe silly part is we are somehow okay with zed/fizz/akali/talon gibbing you in the blink of an eye and heaven forbid WW who can literally DO NOTHING unless his ult is up kill you...oh hell no, he isnt on the list of being allowed to kill people. Please no arguement on how WW is tanky if he builds tanky he isnt gibbing anything, so I am nto sure why a dmg built WW should not be able to delete you like any other champ that builds dmg.
... this over dramatic fight here, i was just implyin that that item QSS and cc would stop zed too, cause you know, if hes cc,ed he cant you know teleport back?
... this over dramatic fight here, i was just implyin that that item QSS and cc would stop zed too, cause you know, if hes cc,ed he cant you know teleport back?
Eh? You mean zed can't just auto you with his insane AD steroid and ratios with his slow? So no sorry this silly myth that qss stops zed is stupid, it might stop a bad zed who does realize most times he doesnt even need his ult to kill you in the first place., and there you go adding in the eternal scapegoat " if he is cc'd" ok so what if he is not cc'd he teleports back , ww doesnt do that regardless. so you are just reinforcing my point.
Hurr durr if your team is there to CC the piss out of the untargetable zed he might not be able to teleport back 2 screens to his clone so he is just like warwick! Seriously kid learn to think before you post.
Well tbh Warwick in the start of this preseason had very little counterplay.
Well tbh Warwick in the start of this preseason had very little counterplay.
due to items correct items that were nerfed....also cheap as dirt qss 1250? removes WW only useful ability his ult, and also provides MR which is what WW mostly does. Add into the fact that unlike champs like zed it is insanely easy to pell a WW and to break his channeled ult. Seriously the amount of counter play available to a champ like WW might be the HIGHEST in the entire game.
qss is a good item, but would you want an ADC having a qss to just for one champion in the laning phase instead of something like a B.F. Sword? If they do, then it will stall their build quite a lot for a champion which could very easily focus another lane in the early game.
QQ you mean ADC's have to build reactively too? WTF IS THIS SHIT? THERE'S A GLITCH IN THE MATRIX! SOMEONE WAKE ME! MOOOOOOOOM!