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Yasuo/Asol/Vlad/Fizz should get straight up nerfed.

Feel Apathy·5/4/2018, 12:06:24 AM·5 votes·1,780 views

They're just not fun to play against, all of these champions almost always exclusively run summoner 14 , all of these champions have 1 or more ways to cheese:

**Asol **waveclears in 2 seconds from lvl 1 then proceeds to gank everyone while you're stuck at tower last hitting. Can't fight him, unless you also run ignite and are an assassin. - doesn't use doran ring or archangel so he just straight up got better, somehow he also doesn't need to invest in boots early and always gets RoA in the first 11 minutes, sure he downscales after the 5th item, but if you play him and are proficient with him - do you even get there?

**Yasuo **dashes everywhere and is just impossible to 1v1 with conqueror [same with jax and aatrox/trynd to an extend] , so you just hug your turret and pray for your jungler to build a tent and forsake everyone else. even if you manage to beat him to an 0-7, unless you send someone to constantly match him on a side-lane or finish the game in 10 minutes, it won't matter since he'll get his core items and be a massive threat again. [I'm literally that yasuo]

**Vlad **is immune to poke or ganks unless you hard-dive **and **scales too quick, cdr is absolutely everywhere and it isn't rare for him to have 3k+ health 800+ ap, 45 cdr 100-80~ armor/mr while healing and hitting for 600+ per global. Of course you'll need item 3123 or item 3165 in the hopes that the debuff is relevant after he ults, pools and explodes on top of your team.

**Fizz **- I just have no idea how this one even got picked up again, everyone said he was horrible after the rework and what-not, I guess not really - that little bluey half-fish is the epitome of a safe assassin. he farms well, he roams well, you cannot punish him unless he's absolutely clueless and item 3152 seems to be pushing him,Vlad and Ekko close to the OP tier. - Of course people lose with him when they have 100 cs in 30 minutes, gee I wonder why you lose.

There are other outliers like Katarina having pretty high base damage on passive or Jax being unmatched anywhere, also how the hell is **karthus **not being played all the time when against non-hyper assassins I don't know, he, same as Asol rushes RoA and starts outscaling anyone that's not against an inting lane, his ult is up for every teamfight and is generally super strong all around if you can land your spells.

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11 Comments

Step Sis Lux5/4/2018, 12:14:15 AM1 votes

And dont forget Ekko with his q clearing whole wave and milion slow, dash and then pointclick teleport, aoe shield/stun, 150% ap ult and how he is basically unkillable in lane after 6

MrHaZeYo5/4/2018, 12:29:07 AM1 votes

Fizz can clear a whole wave at level 1 with 1 E? When most Fizzes start W?

Fear the Kayn5/4/2018, 1:02:22 AM1 votes

Yes to everyone but Asol. He's literally the definition of easy counterplay.

ReySolomon5/4/2018, 1:13:26 AM1 votes

I mean the red guy doesn't do any dmg with his w but...

Make him use Pool? BOOM EZPZ

Ryusaether5/4/2018, 6:01:30 AM1 votes

Aurelion Sol has no escapes (if yiu hit him with a ranged poke move he can't even E) and he got to place himself in bad spots to push the wave (on the side) opening himself to skillshots that can usually be avoided by bodyblocking and ganks from the side where he's in. Plus he can work only in his stars' area, can't peel himself from an all-in by anything with a gapcloser, is weak to even short lasting CCs like Kassadin's Silence because his W goes on CD if he activated it, and he can't Q close range, plus it has a fair amount of CD where he's free to gank. Asol roaming are easily predicted (when he's not in lane he's roaming) and are usually botlane because toplaners destroy him if he doesn't get the proper follow.

Yasuo top is useless, every fighter just stomps him, Yasuo mid is a bit annoying but nowhere near impossible to deal with. You just have to ward a side lane and poking him from that side when he wants to farm, so he can't dash through minions to come and hit you. Even if you fear a gank, you can stay behind minions anyway and use your stun (every mage has a stun) while he dashes do he probably won't windwall it. Anyway tou should always consider he has his dash and stay at the proper distance to run away, and poke him in the meanwhile. Consider which minions he dashed on and cover his options on other minions when he wants to back, aim your skillshots there. Anyway he's fairly easy to poke early levels and gets minion aggro'd if he all ins. At 6 just avoid tornados or hugh your turret, Yasuos love to towerdive and die.

Vlad is a pain in the ass, I gotta gree. You can poke him as well (his AA/Q range is his threat range, while you will probably have higher range spells), sure he'll sustain but will lose on HP in the long run (though you'll lose on mana). Stay away from him when he has his bar filled and attack him when he wants to Q a minion, if you force his pool he will be super easy to gank or all-in and you can avoid his bloodwave (dunno which spell is, probably W) by standing behing minions. Just don't load out all your kit before he uses pool. If you manage to CC him and the jgl chains the CC he will probably die before using pool. And as you said, buy Morello and Liandry as well if it's good on your champ.

Fizz is an annoying bastard, BUT pre 6 he just straight up doesn't exist. Level 1-2 you can destroy him with poke whenever he wants to hit a minion, level 3 sure he could have all-in potential, but he should be so low that he cannot afford it or has to back. You should only be careful of ganks while bullying him this way. You can get a kill early or set him so behind he won't be able to contest you. Lvl 6 is pure nightmare, I know. Just try to shove asap and roam or wait another wave and repeat, or call your jgl when you think he wants to catch you with an ult. Stopwatch is a nice option on him, you can stop the first post 6 desth by flashing and the secon one with Stasis, so he won't be relevant when he needs to and you just straight up outscale him. Ah, and early MR is good vs him, even Banshee if you don't feel comfortable.

I hope this might help, don't take it with an arrogant tone, I just wanted to list some ways of counterplay that don't always come up to mind.

For example, I suck vs LB (be it pre or post rewoek) and I would like it if someone told me how to deal with that pile of stupid mobility and damage laughing whore Viktor