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AP items and AP champs in general. - NERF THEM ALREADY.

Call Me Ålex··15 votes·3,014 views

It's like 3 years now or more where mages are dominating and always viable because of the items mainly.

Rabadon's Deathcap: Too insane of a power spike for one single item > Lower ap to 100 , 35% and cost to 3300. Void Staff: Too much AP gained for the 40% TOTAL magic pen u get with it > Lower to 50 AP and the % to 35 Luden's echo: TOO MUCH FLEXIBILITY IN 1 ITEM - as if ap champs didn't get to spam their low cd low cost spells to being with. Poking you from half the fucking lane with no punish. Seraph's embrace: TOO MUCH FELXIBILITY WTF IS THIS HOW IS IT EVEN A SINGLE ITEM?!?!? LOWER THE MANA LOWER THE CD LOWER THE AP Sorcerer's boots: The 18 magic pen was a mistake , should be reverted to 15. Oblivion Orb: lower the magic pen to 10 but return back to 15 on full item - SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T JUST RUSH ORB AND DESTROY U AND NEVER HAVE TO BUY THE DAMN FULL ITEM.

SERIOUSLY IM SEEING MORE KARTHUS JUNGLE/MID WITH THESE ITEMS CLICKING R GLOBALLY GETTING PENTAKILLS IM SEEING HIM MORE THAN MY FATHER NERF THESE ITEMS ALREADY

29 Comments

Illabethe10 votes

Learn to play.

HP Crookshanks8 votes

item 3155 AD champions are item 3155 about 5 times more picked/banned item 3155 than AP champions but item 3155 you think AP items and item 3155 champions are OP? item 3155 [sg-miss-fortune] item 3155

Call Me Ålex7 votes

I ged a small 280 hp magic damage shield , you get an item that gives you Armor , cdr , ability power AND INVULNERABILITY for 2.5 sec. What are we comparing here?

HP Crookshanks5 votes

item 3155 costs 1300 gold while item 3157 costs 2900 gold and armor is an ineffective stat.

Call Me Ålex7 votes

Ineffective? clearly you haven't went past platinum 4. And you get the zhonyas effect FOR FREE FROM RUNES?? or a mere 600 gold which is absurd

HP Crookshanks1 votes

Armor is clearly the most useless stat in the game and anyone can pick the item 2419 rune and build it to a better item or sell it not just AP champions.

MrFawknSunshine3 votes

how is armor useless ? if mages are so over tuned and their items are wouldnt MR be the most useless stat?

HP Crookshanks4 votes

Single MR item is enough to shut down mages while even 300 armor is not enough against AD champions.

MrFawknSunshine2 votes

not true

Infernape1 votes

Congrats so can you.

Call Me Ålex2 votes

Wake up call, not all of us play mages all the time or have the extra 600G lying around to spend on an item that we'll use once and can't build it into anything. And if you suggest me guardian angel as a 2nd or 3rd item , you should probably stop replying and log off.

MrFawknSunshine3 votes

item 2419 builds into items so even after you use it you can still use the broken stop watch to build into item 3157 item 3026 item 3193

boricCentaur14 votes

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item 3155 costs 1300 gold while item 3157 costs 2900 gold and armor is an ineffective stat.

item 3155 hurts your build since the upgrade item 3156 is terrible it give does not give enough mr or ad to make it useful like 50 ad is bad like all the items that have around 50 ad give more useful stats and 45 is just bad like the item gives no health so you will not make great use of it and the passive on most champions is just ok not great and it is really only useful late since before then you don't have the hp to make use of it whereas item 3157 does not hurt build since the path is good and it gives a good amount of ap for the amount of armor it gives with one of the most useful actives in the game. Also how is armor a inefficient stat that makes no sense. Please think before you compare items.

LordGeovanni3 votes

magic resist is far more ineffective than Armor Physical damage users just apply damage more often than magic damage users but magic damage users more than likely already killed you by time it takes to apply physical damage. top 5 banned champions 3 magic damage users 2 physical damage users top 10 5 magic 5 physical top 15 8magic 7 physical top 20 11 magic 9 physical going further its more magic damage champions up to 30 at least. At some point you are right there are more physical damage champions banned than magic damage champions banned because there are more physical damage champions i believe.

Illabethe4 votes

Ever even tried it? It doesn't just give a magic shield. It also gives initial Magic damage reduction, AD, and the build up for it (Since we're comparing completed items.... *cough) has 10% CDR, gives 20 more AD at low life, and Spell Vamp and Life steal to keep you alive.

Try it sometime. I've face tanked a Brand on Jinx with it. He tickles me. I obliterate him.

@ Void staff; AD gets BASE AD, and MUCH higher AD scaling on skills than AP skills. You're actually trying to compare the two? There's a reason AD per champ is about 350-500, and AP is 500-1000; AP was designed to be a bought stat, while AD is designed to be a skill/auto attack based stat.

You really whine a lot. Learn to counterbuild instead.

Call Me Ålex4 votes

Counterbuild ? good luck with that when 70% of the store is made for ap champions

Illabethe4 votes

Except it's not?

item 3194 item 3001 item 3105 item 1038 item 3751 item 3006 item 3153 item 3076 item 3009 item 1051 item 3133 item 1031 item 3383 item 3812 item 3742 item 3147 item 3814 item 1416 item 1401 item 1412 item 3508 item 3123 item 3387 item 3110 item 3022 item 3193 item 3026 item 3124 item 3155 item 3035 item 3052 item 3031 item 3036 item 3008 item 3156 item 3139 item 3111 item 3033 item 3046 item 3143 item 3094 item 3074 item 3302 item 3800 item 3085 item 3149 item 3080 item 3053 item 3065 item 3087 item 3095 item 3068 item 3071 item 3075 item 3748 item 3078 item 3083 item 3091 item 3142 item 3512

All totally built for AP champs....

HP Crookshanks5 votes

AD: item 3153 item 3147 item 3814 item 3508 item 3155 item 3031 item 3094 item 3074 item 3813 item 3231 item 3053 item 3095 item 3071 item 3072 item 3078 item 3142 item 3036 item 3033 item 3006 item 3111 item 3047 item 3026

AP: item 3285 item 3165 item 3089 item 3135 item 3157 item 3020

Call Me Ålex2 votes

item 3003 item 3102 item 3151 item 3100 item 3285 item 3152 item 3146 item 3030 item 3165 item 3115 item 3041 item 3089 item 2065 item 3116 item 3135 item 3173 item 3040 you dropped a few here

HP Crookshanks2 votes

You also missed some AP items because almost no one builds them that's why I didn't include items like item 3030 item 3115 item 3174 item 3003 item 3905 item 2065 item 3907 same with AD item 3022 item 3087 .

LordGeovanni3 votes

Thats Adc dps being broken and tons of Lifesteal allowing them to have smaller max hp but amplifying their effective hp pool by equal to their max hp pool every 3 seconds they fight late game. This does not apply to tanks assassins or fighters (except riven)

Illabethe2 votes

You do realize Spell Vamp and Bonus AD both affect assassins more than they do Adcs?

LordGeovanni1 votes

difference being that assassins have to get in range which is easily retaliated while having much worse defenses than mages and adcs. adcs mages and assassins do too much damage. Assassins are a problem because they have too much base and scaling damage when they should have damage scaling off of missing health.

Illabethe1 votes

  1. Assassins have the best tools in the game to close gaps o.O? What?

  2. Assassins have higher base AD, Armor, and resist than adcs. Also higher per level HP scaling slightly.

Sir Saltarin4 votes

This exactly the perfect meme answer I expected from the Boards.

It never disappoints.

Fízz v27 votes

Why people even complaining about ap items when every game theres 3 AD champs and only 1 real AP champ on average

Moody P7 votes

Because ap is op

LordGeovanni1 votes

There is just as likely to be 3 ap as there is to be 3 ad in the game the thing is there are options for 3 even 4 ad champions while there arent options for more than 1 ap champion in the game. item 3194 item 3065 item 3111 is good enough to fend off one ap champion until they past 400 ap or get 30+ magic pen or get void staff. but you cant stack do anything if 2 dedicated ap damage dealers show up or if a tank shows up alone with the mages you just get wrecked by magic resist. Not to mention people bash item 3194 but mages with 2.8 cooldowns only need to wait for 1 second before making the item useless it only makes the damage from the same spells worse for lux only her passive will ever be effected by this for orinna only her passive that mage mains refuse to use despite its high dps and her Q will be effected by this so on so forth masses of mage players will cry about this item as broken but you can easily counter it buy just waiting one second to cast but then you say 2.8 +1 second. thats not 4 seconds. and to that i say although mages have stupid fast skills most of them are .25 travel time or .3 travel time only champions like cass have cast times shorter.

MrFawknSunshine3 votes

just a quick comment item 3020 getting 3 more magic pen to 18 from 15 was to compensate losing magic pen runes when runes reforged went live.

so that 3 extra magic pen isnt doing too much.

2ndly all champs/roles etc should be viable.

3rd mages tend to get alot of AP but that AP isnt used on autos like AD champs are. the AP is only effective if they hit a target with a spell which have cool downs and mana they have to manage

karthus works cuz he get great free stacks from using ult to get asst or kills globally and tends to take runes that /items that stack so he scales into a monster.

oh and finally there are things called MAGIC RESISTANCE ITEMS you should invest in some if the enemy mage is fed not building accordingly isnt a game balance issue , its a stupidity issue.

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