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Pyke is fun but feels bad to tryhard

DexterDougglas·6/25/2018, 7:42:11 AM·2 votes·1,389 views

You can get huge leads and still be irrelevant when it comes to dps, because of super low ad scaling combined with lower gold income from being a support. I can often times be 6/0 and still not be able to 1v1 an adc who is 0/6. Even when i come out of games with a huge amount of kills, 9/10 times I deal the least damage. This is because he isn't really rewarded for building damage. He has a .6 bonus(.69 if cast within .5 seconds of charge) ad ratio on his q and a .8 on his e. Granted both of these are cc abilities, but they are both telegraphed abilities.He doesn't get rewarded for building damage items. Often times I can play a tankier cc support , builds no damage, and reliably do more damage consistently over the course of many games. He is tied down to leveling more than he is to actually itemizing for damage. His ult is a very good indicator of this. His ult scales with level to counteract him not getting the xp of solo laners, but it also means he doesn't get large power-spikes. He's getting an extra 50 damage per q level,an extra 35 for each e. To me, it means leveling is paramount to actually getting gold for items. Then your items should just be defense items to be able to reliably keep skirmishing and rejoining fights with passive. If they want pyke to be an assassin style in the support role, then he could use some stats changes on his q and e to give him better overall scaling with ad. Atm, the pbe has a change to his e to be a 100% bonus ratio vs the 80%, while nerfing the base value to try and force pyke to build more ad. It's a buff to his early game by .2 and a nerf to his mid game damage if he isn't building bonus ad. By mid game, it isn't really a huge nerf and I don't think a change like this will warrant people to buy more ad assassin items.He won't be viable as an assassin until he is rewarded properly for going ad.

TL;DR pyke is weak at damage and is best built with defensive items scalings are sub par for what how all of his abilities are telegraphed

P.S. I'll be waiting for the downvotes [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

4 Comments

Fluffeh6/25/2018, 7:49:13 AM1 votes

Its almost like assassin and support are antithesis to each other

DexterDougglas6/25/2018, 8:49:55 AM1 votes

well they can curb him into a better support than what he is by giving him the ability to deal damage. As it is, they have gimped his damage so he can't solo lane. Personally, I think they should up his damage and nerf his minion/monster damage accordingly to stop him from being as viable in a solo lane. Right now, it's more optimal to go tankier and basically get resistances with ad. There isn't very much of a trade-off in damage because his scalings are so weak. Getting stuff like deadman's plate and ga and defense items makes him deceptively tanky along with aftershock. in a comparison of dead mans and black cleaver, dead mans gives 30 ad, 65 armor, ms passive, and a nice little burst + slow on next aa. Then we have cleaver which gives 68 ad 20 cdr and the armor shred passive which is difficult to stack. Mid game around level 11 you're gonna have 55bonus ad from dead mans and remnant. and your q,e, ult combo bonus damage is 115. With cleaver and remnant, it's 193.If you throw in an auto, then cleaver +remnant will do 68( anextra 38 physical vs deadmans), but dead mans will give another 100 magic. So cleaver q e auto ult bonus damage: 65.1 +74.4 + 93(bonus ad on top of auto) +55.8 = 288.3 deadmans q e auto ult bonus damage : 38.5 + 44 + 155(bonus from deadmans passive + the 55 bonus ad) + 33 = 270.5 Even with cdr, pykes cooldowns are a bit too long to get more than 1 rotation of a q and e before you either have to leave a fight when building damage. This champ just doesn't make sense thematically with what they say he is. As long as his ratios are garbage then defense items will probably be better all around.

YerroFever6/27/2018, 12:19:21 AM1 votes

What makes Pyke not fun to play against is his inherent sustain. The % damage regain is pretty BS. He needs lower ratios like Tahm Kench. Even though his grey health retention is higher, his conversion to health restored is a LOT lower.

DexterDougglas6/27/2018, 1:34:17 AM1 votes

except that he has huge cds and has no true way out of a fight because of that. once you get cc'd that sustain is useless. He isnt rewarded for going in and dealing damage. Even if you do get leads with him, it is hardly any better than being behind. He doesn't get rewarded in the same sense that other champs get rewarded for getting kills and building damage. His scalings are fucking laughable. He doesnt get anything for going full ad. At lvl 18 with over 400 ad his ult doesnt even do an extra 200 damage. His entire combo is a whopping 2.1 bonus ad ratio. in perspective, lee sin ult is 2.0 bonus ad alone. Right now, pyke is garbage tier. Why would a support who builds damage not be able to actually use it. I often find myself at the top of the kills but having the least damage. I can consistently play an enchanter or tank support and offer more utility along with damage.