"None" needs to be removed as an option for ban-phase, there is too much stuff that's toxic+broken

echorev·Jul 7, 2018·32 votes·10,810 views

None is just a toxic option in itself showing off severe overconfidence and a lack of empathy for teammates that could have used that ban to get rid of something they wouldn't want to play against.

And if you want to be technical overly difficult babies just make it so you can't choose none for Ranked, because you are supposed to ensure you have the highest chances of winning in this competitive mode, it's not there to show off how arrogant and ready for a spanking you are.

87 Comments

Lets have shrexJul 7, 201826 votes

Or when you select "none" it instantly ban either Zed Talon or Yasuo

BALDG1VEN BOOMERJul 7, 201819 votes

You know what also needs to be removed? Duplicated bans

YumaS2AstralJul 8, 20183 votes

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You know what also needs to be removed? Duplicated bans

They would need to make it so that either we go back to when it was one ban per turn, or they would need to make bans visible for both teams

My Waifu VanillaJul 8, 20184 votes

Great so I can be in champion select for 5 minutes before someone dodges at the last second so I get to be in another champion select for 5 minutes. Maybe after 20 whole minutes after hitting the "find game" button I will FINALLY be able to get into a game!

Warlord RhinarkJul 7, 201816 votes

Atleast make it so if you ban "none", one of your teammates get the ban instead of you.

The current thing we have now is stupid.

ahferroin7Jul 7, 201812 votes

FWIW,about 95% of the people I see ban 'None' do so at the last second. As in, they couldn't figure out who to ban, or were distracted, and wanted to make sure that they didn't accidentally ban something an ally wanted to play. In that particular case, giving it to an ally isn't exactly going to help.

Warlord RhinarkJul 7, 20184 votes

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FWIW,about 95% of the people I see ban 'None' do so at the last second. As in, they couldn't figure out who to ban, or were distracted, and wanted to make sure that they didn't accidentally ban something an ally wanted to play. In that particular case, giving it to an ally isn't exactly going to help.

You have to admit, it's still better than nothing.

SithesisLordJul 8, 20183 votes

were distracted

Or they could, y'know, pay attention to the goddamn bans and picks.

The game begins the moment champ select pops up, not when the loading screen starts.

420 gramsJul 7, 201812 votes

How else can I show I'm edgy to the enemy in champ select?

ZackTheWaffleManJul 7, 201812 votes

I once saw a 5-man premade all ban none.

They lost, though.

Akali is SO HOTJul 7, 20189 votes

Sorry the kiddos need to show their teams that they're edgy and don't need bans

Its All SkillzzJul 7, 20187 votes

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Sorry the kiddos need to show their teams that their edgy and don't need bans

and then they feed zed/irelia/yasuo/fizz/tryndamere/yi ect.

InfernapeJul 7, 20189 votes

I've found that the people that press "none" tend to be the same people that cry saying that "X is OP".

And when you ask them, "why didn't you ban them?" the answer is always babyrage.

But your mileage may vary of course.

Silly NeekoJul 7, 20187 votes

As someone who pretty much exclusively bans none.... i object to this post.

Ranked and normals are both learning experiences on how to fight a certain champ. Hell, ive actually helped someone understand how to fight against my champion in ranked (usually when i was playing Morde top after stomping them hard due to them not knowing how to even fight against one... let alone that he even existed half the time).

Just because you go into ranked, doesnt mean you need to turn into hulk. There is win and loss in ranked same as everywhere else, and people like you are the reason why we cant have nice things OR people in ranked.

Akali is SO HOTJul 7, 201814 votes

If you want to learn how to play against a particular champion, then just ban a different champion that might give your team trouble. If your mid laner wants to pick Yasuo, then banning champions like Annie or Malz would be great for your team. If you choose to ban none and your Yasuo ends up feeding the Annie 10 kills in the first 5 minutes, then it's basically on you for wasting a ban. Choosing to ban none is just dumb.

SanKakUJul 8, 20182 votes

You can't ban every champ your allies are terrible against. It'll still be 'his fault' if he bans Annie and they pick Malzahar and wreck Yasuo by your reasoning of blaming him for someone else's failure.

Akali is SO HOTJul 8, 20181 votes

Even if you use all your bans you are still going to have teammates that do poorly sometimes. Not banning at all and giving the enemy team more options to pick just hurts you more. If he banned Annie, but Yasuo still ends up feeding then it isn't his fault since he used his ban to help the Yasuo out. Giving the enemy team a free pass with Annie vs Yasuo would be his fault.

SanKakUJul 8, 20181 votes

Some would argue that by choosing not to ban Annie, it allows him to pick Annie when the opponent takes his Yasuo or he decides to pick her to deal with some other pick he sees on the enemy team instead of Yasuo.

Ch1efBeefQueefJul 7, 201810 votes

Or, you can just learn your champ outside of ranked like the rest of us. Why should we have to take the L because people like you cant be bothered to learn the game in normals or bots first.

y0r1ckJul 7, 20182 votes

There's a difference between learningyour champ, and learning how to win with your champ. You can learn your champ in normals or bots, but you won't learn to win there.

Ch1efBeefQueefJul 7, 20183 votes

First off, thats plain wrong. Learning to win with a champ can be done in normals. Second, you can easily learn your champions counter matchups outside of ranked. There is no good reason to refuse to ban a champ other than showboating.

We asked for more bans and Riot gave us what we wanted. There was a good reason for allowing more bans in the game. If you are not looking to improve and climb the ladder by winning, then why are you playing ranked and wasting peoples time. Not talking about you specifically but the whole notion of not banning a champ when there are so many in the game that people don't want to play against simply for ego is counter intuitive.

And here is a good question, what do people have to prove to random players they will likely never see again anyways? I for one have never seen anyone compliment someone else for not banning a champion. The whole mechanic is pointless, and it is not good for ranked, plain and simple.

y0r1ckJul 8, 20181 votes

Think about this for a second. If normals are for learning, then wouldn't a student be playing against other people who don't know their matchups/champion?

I'll just use my main, yorick, as an example because I know him, but you can substitute any champion.

I want to learn how to play against jax. I take yorick into a blind pick and woohoo I'm against a jax. I got stupidly fed and carried the game. Now I think I win the matchup easily, but really it was just a shitty jax. Jax is going to dumpster me in ranked.

Playing against second-rate players is not a good way to learn matchups. That's why nobody tells people to practice in bots, normals is nothing like ranked. The skill difference is massive.

Normals is for learning a champion's kit and having fun, beyond that you need ranked.

Ch1efBeefQueefJul 8, 20181 votes

I still disagree. If you play a champion long enough in normals, you will have a pretty decent idea of how to deal with counter matchups. I never claimed you would be excellent off the hop, but that doesnt mean that not banning a champion is going to help you with your learning experience. It is nonsensical to suggest that in the first place.

And even if you instist on not banning champions that you might struggle with in ranked, which i still cannot make sense of. You can simply ask teammates what they wish to ban, and then ban a champ for them. In all likely hood you wont see zed show up top. And even if you did, there is no logical instance where it would be productive to practice against him in a toplane matchup as he is almost never played toplane.

Silly NeekoJul 8, 20181 votes

Banning none, i went from B4 to G5 last season in about 200 games. It isnt as detrimental as you seem to think it is.

Silly NeekoJul 8, 20181 votes

It is not some egotistical rampage that im going on.

Guess what? There was no bans before too. If someone didnt ban, you could forcefully have 3 no bans and nobody elsr has the choice.

We got more bans because people were whining that they didnt get to ban, that nobody bans worthy picks, that people dont listen and ban their prefered champ, or whatever else. Now everyone has a choice to ban or not. It had nothing to do with there being "so many champions that need banned!"

I just dont want to ban and dont care who im against and want the ban phase done and over with so we can get into game faster. So i pick none. You want help or advice on how to play against an enemy? That i can do. You want help with itemization against them? That i can do.

You want to complain that you cant fight a champ but you never play against them and when you do because GOD FORBID SOMEONE EVEN BANNED SOMETHING ELSE OTHER THAN THAT CHAMP you get instantly tilted and play like you are 5 years old... that is not my problem. That is your problem with your mentality and your lack of willingness to learn how to fight a champ.

Chances are they could have done Nunu mid and still wiped the floor with you if you can only win as long as "all those op champs are banned".

Ch1efBeefQueefJul 8, 20182 votes

Interesting straw man. There is no argument here. Moving on.

Silly NeekoJul 8, 20181 votes

Just my opinion same as you have yours. You dont want yours called into question, dont call mine into question.

Ch1efBeefQueefJul 8, 20181 votes

I never once stated my opinion, i stated objective facts. You can disagree if you like, thats your prerogative. But im not playing a pointless game of strawmen. Its a waste of time.

Silly NeekoJul 9, 20181 votes

Your opinion is in all of your comments so far. There is no facts in what you said except for your opinion of what is a fact. Same as i have.

I have many opinions that are not agreed with, that neither makes me an ass or a dick or overconfident or anything of the sort. It is simply my opinion. There is plenty of facts back and forth that have been said, however i will still ban none and if others want to ban none they can.... or they can ban the champs they dont want to fight, it doesnt matter.

It is the choice of the person with the ban what they want to do, and i want to ban none. People want more of a reason than "just because i want to" so those are some of my facts on the matter.

The point is, it doesnt matter if you ban or not as long as you dang well play the game and try to win.

Ch1efBeefQueefJul 9, 20181 votes

Well according to this post, most people would prefer to remove no bans. Enjoy your privilege while it lasts.

Silly NeekoJul 9, 20181 votes

I will. However, the 9 votes.... is not most people. In fact, most of the people who downvoted me probably did so because of me saying ranked is a learning experience (as is noticed by all the commentaries ive had on my comment).

Not my fault people jump to their own conclusions and try to go downvoting without even thinking about what was said.

Ch1efBeefQueefJul 10, 20181 votes

Did you ignore the upvotes on the post to begin with? Most people who have seen this post disagree with you. And im fairly certain, most people in general would disagree with you. Ive got nothing to prove as it is clear you are not open to other viewpoints on the matter, so ill let the feedback speak for itself.

Silly NeekoJul 10, 20181 votes

I see it has 1 less vote than before, and i havent even voted on up or down. I am open to other peoples viewpoints, but what is being told to me is that i am wrong and i need to change what i do to fit everyone elses idea of what people should do.

This is like the whole "meta" debate all over again. "You should only play meta champs because thats how you win games." No, you can win games with double top... double jung... no marksmen.... and everything else.

Im not the one locked into one way of thinking, because as i mentioned, if i am in a party with someone and then they ask if i will ban someone, i will. However you and others seem to be unable to see any viewpoint other than your own as you all keep saying i am just wrong without even trying to see anything that could be good about none banning even though i have said multiple.

You are very correct in thinking it is a lost cause trying to explain to someone who obviously is stuck in their own points of view. However one finger pointing at me leaves 3 pointing back at yourself.

Ch1efBeefQueefJul 10, 20181 votes

what are you on about?? i pointed out that the majority of the votes agree with removing a non ban option. I never said your opinion is flat out wrong, though i believe it is... I said ill agree to disagree, you seem bent on trying to prove a point here... what that point happens to be exactly is beyond me.

Maybe your ego just craves the last word??

At the end of the day, you are entitled to your choice, enjoy it while is lasts. Because ill repeat myself, the majority of people according to the data on this post, seem to believe that no-ban should be removed as a feature.

Silly NeekoJul 10, 20181 votes

Kind of funny when people try to use this whole thing of "oh your ego requires you to get the last word" yet they have to comment to say that.

No, it is my explaining myself. You are unable to understand it, and yes, there was an agree to disagree. But no, the MAJORITY does not. 7 people agree with the OP and this is NOT counting my vote.

If there was 100 people that said no, 107 said yes. That is just barely over half.

7 votes is nearly nothing seeing as there are millions of players at least.

You can not call out "majority wins" when with the percentage that has voted yes vs no probably wouldnt even get a surrender after 20 mins.

There is no winner or loser. Stick with your original idea of agree to disagree. The more you talk the more you will be shut down.

If you have anything new to add to the conversation, feel free to add.

Silly NeekoJul 8, 20181 votes

You seem to be very confused about my commentary.

I never said learn the champ or learn how to win with your champ.... however you can always learn new things if you are open to it.

Why should i be forced into stressing about who to ban and who will like or dislike the ban or whatever else?

If 1 champ means the difference between a win or loss, then why am i forced to play with people who are that inexperienced that they cant even fight against X champ?

That is rediculous beyond rediculous. Pick a different lane if you cant play against a certain champ. Ill play against the Zed or Yasuo or whoever the heck else if needed.

Ch1efBeefQueefJul 8, 20181 votes

The point is, banning a champion is a tool to win. In no way does banning a champion inhibit your ability to win. However, not banning a champion serves no purpose to the team, and with so many champions that are unhealthy to play against (Evelynn i believe is a good example) it makes no sense for someone looking to win not to ban a champ.

Also, its not about who you can play against. If you are confident in any and all lanes, good for you! But there are 4 other people on your team who may be uncomfortable dealing with meta giants, and counter matchups and it would be incredibly helpful to ban champions that may hurt your teamates. I ban champs that my team struggles with all the time, as i am a jungle main and am confident with most matchups. Even considering that, i do not want a zed to shit on my midlaner and become an absolute giant, therefor i may ban him to improve my chances of winning.

And you do not seem to present any good reason for not banning champions. At all.

Silly NeekoJul 8, 20181 votes

Every ban is also taking away champions your team has an option to play too. What if your mid is a Zed main and you just banned their champ? What if you left it open because they had Zed selected and then the enemy gets the Zed first? What if your mid had Zed selected and then chooses someone else anyways and then the mid gets the Zed? What if your mid laner picks Zed and gets shit on anyways?

Those are just as plausible as me not banning and the enemy getting Zed anyways.

Banning is a tool to win but so is not banning. It shows confidence which obviously from all this silly hype about not banning, that means that i think im awesome, usually there is something that leads me to believe that. This means likely i have played vs these "meta giants" and won many many times, and thus, they might avoid picking the "meta giant" simply because of that.

This "ban not banning" thing is stupid beyond belief. Heck, if nothing else then be glad it gives trolls a way to piss people off that isnt banning their selected champ.

BatleBJul 7, 201820 votes

Why are you learning in Ranked?

What kind of dickhead does that to his team?

Take your best or don't go in at all.

CunkyJul 7, 20186 votes

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As someone who pretty much exclusively bans none.... i object to this post.

Ranked and normals are both learning experiences on how to fight a certain champ. Hell, ive actually helped someone understand how to fight against my champion in ranked (usually when i was playing Morde top after stomping them hard due to them not knowing how to even fight against one... let alone that he even existed half the time).

Just because you go into ranked, doesnt mean you need to turn into hulk. There is win and loss in ranked same as everywhere else, and people like you are the reason why we cant have nice things OR people in ranked.

then give a ban to a fucking teammate if you're so skilled that you win against any champion. some people struggle in lane against multiple champs

Silly NeekoJul 8, 20181 votes

If they are going to lose and feed their butts off due to 1 champ played by the enemy, then theres about a 90% chance that the enemy playing any other champ of their choosing will do the same exact thing.

Some people just struggle playing league in general. You cant just ban every single champ that 1 person cant play against. They will have to figure it out eventually or they will be suffering.

CunkyJul 9, 20181 votes

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If they are going to lose and feed their butts off due to 1 champ played by the enemy, then theres about a 90% chance that the enemy playing any other champ of their choosing will do the same exact thing.

Some people just struggle playing league in general. You cant just ban every single champ that 1 person cant play against. They will have to figure it out eventually or they will be suffering.

Some champions are really hard counters to certain other champions. For example, Jax has a really hard time against Fiora, and Camille has a really hard time against Poppy. And there are also the typical OP champs that are worth bans (for example, right now, Draven is really good). You don't need to be an asshole and ban none just to prove how "good" you are.

MetallikaiserJul 8, 20182 votes

I take it you are the same kind of person to get actually mad and flame me for being someone who bans 'none'? I just dont get it, why is it something that bothers people so much?

echorevJul 8, 20183 votes

Because I'd enjoy not getting shit like Irelia Zed Camille and dealing with them after they hit their 1 item dominance spike

My Waifu VanillaJul 8, 20182 votes

Then you ban it. You shouldn't rely on someone else banning something. Or, hear me out now, you can learn the match up. It's another of the reasons why new champions tend to do well after buffs. People didn't have time to learn them (thus deflating the win rate) because they were FORCED to play blind pick where it is a literal coin flip on if you get it or not and no one knew how to play against it. If you permaban something you aren't going to ever learn how to play against it. No champion in current solo queue for 99% of players is worthy of pick/ban right now and you permabanning things and never actually trying to get better means the one time you don't ban it you are going to feed your brains out because you haven't actually played against the champion in 20-30 games.

ninjaroxasJul 8, 20184 votes

Well you only get 1 ban and consider this, maybe they just don't like playing against those champions and has nothing to do with how well they do against them? I still don't get how people seem to think that's impossible

SoarinJCJul 8, 20182 votes

Exactly this. I still usually feed against a few certain champs, but I always make sure to ban the highest threat. However, there are still matchups that make me want to pull my hair out just because of how annoyingly boring/painful/exhausting they are to play through without making mistakes that could cost the team the game. A few include: Akali Darius Illaoi Jax MonkeyKing Sion Draven

Again, these aren't necessarily the hardest matchups, just some mind-numbing or soul-crushing ones.

Silly NeekoJul 9, 20181 votes

Then ban the one you dont want to play against. Why is does it seem impossible for people to understand some people just WANT to ban none? And that it is nothing against the team, it isnt to helping the enemy team, heck people seem to not realize that the more picks they have, the same number of picks YOU have.

Thats what i dont get. How fo people not understand this simple of a concept?

ninjaroxasJul 9, 20181 votes

There is no reason to not ban champion unless it's accidental. It does help the enemy by giving them more of a chance to counter pick.

Can you even give me an actual reason not to ban a champion? Doing it just because isn't a good reason btw.

If you don't want to ban a champ then why not say "hey instead of possibly hurting our chances of winning by not banning anyone, does anyone want me to ban a champ for them?"

Silly NeekoJul 9, 20182 votes

it adds a champion to your, and your allies champ pool as well. Giving chances to counterpick against them.
it reduces the chance that you have someone rage at you because you banned their 1 trick and they start trolling and running it down mid. You made a comment about "thats on them for not paying attention" however, the only thing that is on them is they banned a champ that the enemy could have picked up before them as well....
with new champs especially.... it gives people a chance to actually PLAY the new champ and try to learn it. Some play exclusively ranked, and it also gives the chance that Riot can collect the information they need to buff or nerf certain aspects.
it reduces the urge for some people to purposefully ban someone elses pick. People complain enough about the none ban that at least there is less people banning your picks just because you tried being friendly or nice or whatever to them in chat or whatever the heck goes on with some people.
it can be used as a bit of an intimidation factor, because you didnt ban a champ, that means you know the matchups fairly decently, which means you might choose a different champion than you originally thought.... or you might play safer against them because you dont know how they will be to fight...

All of these things are just as valid as the arguements brought up against the non ban. It actually shoes a side of all of those arguements that people dont seem to understand....

You picked none, that gives your team just as much of an advantage as they get.