Dear Riot, I think there is a problem if Vayne cannot be assassinated by a Leblanc.

Zeppelins circus·Jan 12, 2019·4 votes·1,399 views

I can't assasssinate what is moving and stealthing constantly. What is this broken crap, Or hell, I'm not even complaining because I cannot "kill" her at this stage, I cannot even SEE her. WTF man.

I had a game which a Vayne was involved that NOBODY was able to duel her, or kill her in teamfights. THIS IS NOT BALANCED AT ALL. Why on earth did this came out of the PBE. Why does your testers or gamebalance team even EXISTS? Or gets PAYED?

Ranked Que is NOT URF for hells sake.

22 Comments

DestaiceJan 12, 20198 votes

Yeah sure does suck when you’re presented with counter play and instead of trying to improve as a player you cry on the forums because you just want to press Q R W on squishy enemies for free kills and not put in any effort.

Zeppelins circusJan 12, 20192 votes

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Yeah sure does suck when you’re presented with counter play and instead of trying to improve as a player you cry on the forums because you just want to press Q R W on squishy enemies for free kills and not put in any effort.

Yeah? And how I'm supposed to "counter" her when she is in stealth and super mobile and cannot be even targeted by single target spells? WTF?

COUNTERPLAY MY ASS. If a ADC is misspositioned she deserves to die. Period.

MrHaZeYoJan 12, 20191 votes

You have 2 seconds to blow her up lol.

RanmiakuJan 12, 20192 votes

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Yeah? And how I'm supposed to "counter" her when she is in stealth and super mobile and cannot be even targeted by single target spells? WTF?

COUNTERPLAY MY ASS. If a ADC is misspositioned she deserves to die. Period.

in my opinion there should be some counterplay to braindead targeted spells anyways, especially the targeted cc's, i guarantee you that vayne still takes more skill to kill you than you do to kill her as leblanc

HeresyHorusJan 12, 20191 votes

n my opinion there should be some counterplay to braindead targeted spells anyways.

What braindead targeted autoes ? what's their their counter ?

Leblanc W + E at least skillshots (although W does need some speed nerfs imo).

Where are Vayne skillshots or delays which players can counter ?

KFCeytronJan 12, 20194 votes

Yeah, high mobility and stealth are so broken and imbalanced. Right, LeBlanc player?

Kai GuyJan 12, 20193 votes

So by this logic Kayle Kindred Tryndamere Aatrox Taric are broken?

Zeppelins circusJan 12, 20191 votes

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So by this logic are broken?

???

Kai GuyJan 12, 20193 votes

Lb cant assassinate 4 out of 5. the other can protect all members of his team with good timing. Are we judging the games entire balance around what LB fails to kill?

MoonscourgeJan 12, 20192 votes

Yeah, it sure does suck when she does the same thing she has done for the last 9 years and you can't kill her because you're trash.

Seriously. She doesn't get MULTIPLE stealths off if you start to burst her. At most ONE, because burst is instant and once you have a target you throw it out there. She can only try to Q to avoid that initial burst, which requires reflexes or predictions. The cooldown change does absolutely NOTHING for that.

Talon GerrardJan 12, 20191 votes

Here's a tip. Upgrade you wards to red trinket so you can see where she is going between tumbles. And if she is ulting you could just back off and then re engage once her ult is down.

Zeppelins circusJan 12, 20191 votes

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Here's a tip. Upgrade you wards to red trinket so you can see where she is going between tumbles. And if she is ulting you could just back off and then re engage once her ult is down.

Aaaand she killed four of my team members because she has a ludicrous speedboost. i already did that.

Talon GerrardJan 12, 20191 votes

Another tip. Land hard cc on her. It's not impossible and if she gets cc'd she's dead. If you have a complaint about that then you need to try out some new champs because Vayne got a buff she desperately needed as an adc.

Zeppelins circusJan 12, 20191 votes

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Another tip. Land hard cc on her. It's not impossible and if she gets cc'd she's dead. If you have a complaint about that then you need to try out some new champs because Vayne got a buff she desperately needed as an adc.

The "just cc her" argument is null if she has a QSS. I even ALREADY TRIED MALZAHAR which is the literal MIDDLE FINGER of defiance.

Talon GerrardJan 12, 20191 votes

Well if your team is competent then they would be smart enough to hard focus her down. QSS only stops one cc.

Zeppelins circusJan 12, 20191 votes

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Well if your team is competent then they would be smart enough to hard focus her down. QSS only stops one cc.

Is that even counterplay at this point. That really sounds as if like the game was warped so hard, that Vayne dictates the outcome. Well, I guess 54% winrate historically IS game-warping.

I still remember reworked Skarner that had that winrate and playrate. And it got hotfixed in like 3 days.

Talon GerrardJan 12, 20191 votes

That's Vayne's job. Control the fight with her maneuverability and insane damage.

Arctic DragonJan 12, 20191 votes

Get more practice with LB vs Vayne, all you need to do.

Zeppelins circusJan 12, 20191 votes

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Get more practice with LB vs Vayne, all you need to do.

Dude. The "Git Good" argument does not exist if Vayne cannot be targeted and remains to be untargetable. My gameplaying skills does not make Vayne magically unstealth or lets my gain clairvoyance.

Kai GuyJan 12, 20192 votes

I may be wrong. So I feel like I need to properly test some things just to check myself later.

Just, I assume her Q function has not change to much and that it only starts to CD once you auto. Then I consider that Autos break stealth and Invisibility mechanics. So my assumption is vayne will always have some moments in a fight even when R and Qing very well that she can be targeted by point and click. Also that because her Q R only has a 1 second invis duration any time she Q's out of auto range shes has a longer duration outside of stealth.

Just my assumptions here. Might be wrong. If you want, let me know and I will test it tomorrow.

PoskeJan 12, 20191 votes

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I can't assasssinate what is moving and stealthing constantly. What is this broken crap, Or hell, I'm not even complaining because I cannot "kill" her at this stage, I cannot even SEE her. WTF man.

I had a game which a Vayne was involved that NOBODY was able to duel her, or kill her in teamfights. THIS IS NOT BALANCED AT ALL. Why on earth did this came out of the PBE. Why does your testers or gamebalance team even EXISTS? Or gets PAYED?

Ranked Que is NOT URF for hells sake.

Its a Le blanc issue not an assassin issue per say

In general you might want to pick up better assassins

RanmiakuJan 14, 20191 votes

basically hit her once with anything and shes dead since she has 5 hp lmao