As suggested by Reddit here: The tiny half second delay after using dash is pretty darn annoying and just feels super clunky. Can we make this happen Riot? Although it is going to be a small buff (which I honestly think Graves deserves anyway) it will greatly improve the player experience with Graves and puts more "Quick" into Quickdraw.
It's a nice QoL buff that's not going to break him. I like it :)
Autoattack reset would be a nice QOL change that wouldn't really add that much burst and would let graves get full use out of the bonus as. That said, he's not nearly as weak as people think he is; he has incredible late game mobility, gets pretty significant bonus resists for teamfighting and his burst is actually quite high, although not the team melting stupidity of old graves.
I have to say that if I target someone and then dash towards them, it will auto attack the closest enemy near graves. Which is annoying to me. Graves only has 1 real passive which is his bonus armor which could give another +2 – +5, his E's passive doesn't even compare it to Lucian's E. Though it does give more AS it only lasts for 5 seconds... While Tristiana can gain AS with no mana cost. Graves Q strangely only best works when in close range. His W can only so much but I don't know how to even improve it without it being unfair. I like the buff on his R though. But can't it have a 40 or 35 second cool down. I mean, its not that powerful. His Q does such little damage as it only goes up to from lvl 1, 108 in close proximity and at lvl 5 only goes up to 360 with no added AD. This is unfair because Graves is a marksman and will hardly be in close proximity if at all. Also, the Q should go out to at least 720 and/or raise the bonus up to 50% or 55%.
Sorry to burst your bubbles but Graves is absolutely fine where he is. He got good buffs recently and any more could potentially tip him overboard.
Top ADCs atm are Corki, Trist, Lucian, and Twitch. We need to deal with these guys first.
Right behind them is Graves, Jinx, Ezreal, and a couple others.
I think you need to read through Graves' kit and realize what an absurd design it is for an ADC to have.
EDIT: Yup this place is pretty much Reddit.
Full of bads that don't know what they're talking about rofl.
Seriously, if you read the comments on Reddit, the people there discuss the game balance so confidently when they clearly don't know jacksh!t. They spout the most untrue mumbo jumbo without a second thought. GD actually had a better sense of balance than them because the good opinions weren't squandered out by retards that would circlejerk about "breaking the meta lel xD because im playing soraka mid xDDD but my teammates always rage at me and troll me and things!!!!!" or saying overused jokes like "temo satan hitler xD" or "nerf ireliaxDDD".
I thought that only the overall format and design got a downgrade, but it turns out the people got dumber too. Stay bad boards.
Seeing as how it's called "QUICK DRAW" (!!!!) it only makes sense that it should.
Graves has been buffed way too much already, he's fine, don't over buff him.
His last 3 patches have nothing but straight buffs.
As a Graves main, I don't think this would buff him much at all. He'd just get maybe 1 more aa off in trades which, in all honesty, is an aa he should be getting already. It's almost like E is the opposite of an aa reset. It feels like you have to wait even longer to shoot again. At least let the player start the aa during the end of the Quickdraw animation so you don't just stand there awkwardly for a second.
Gosh, I would love that. I had a game today where that AA reset would have netted me a kill.
Quickdraw Quickdrawing? Genius.
Hmmmmm this would make his dueling a little better.
yeah let's make graves op!!
Can someone explain to me exactly what Graves' niche is?
I see a lot of discussion comparing him to other ADCs, but I'm still left wondering what Graves can offer to the team. He does have a nice amount of burst at close range, but is that it? A slightly tankier burst ADC with a clunky kit?
Bump for you good sir. Quality of life buffs are always a +1 from me.
When I tried out Graves, this made him feel super clunky.
People should be comparing him to Lucian more, since they're both closed-ranged and even have a similar kit.
I'd prefer to see Graves buffed in a way that actually differentiates him from Lucian. Making the dash manaless or an auto attack reset would make Graves more powerful, sure, but it'd also diminish his niche as a champion even further.
Graves needs some sort of buff, right now he's kind of a bad off-pick ADC; whom I would never want on my team.
I've wanted this to change for ages. Only thing we can do is hope...
Nice!
Nah, I don't think we need to continue buffing ADCs and wondering why there is always one or two that are just dominating. We need to nerf every ADC down to graves level.
lucian also gets an aa reset so i think this is definetly in order.
I feel like this is something he's been missing all-along. When playing Graves I often expect an AA reset when using his dash, and am quickly reminded and slightly disappointed. I can understand why Riot may have left it out. He has tons of burst at close range, and he gains defensive stats during combat, so dashing in is slightly less of a risk than it is for, say, Lucian, Ez, or Trist. Nevertheless, Lucian is pretty much a.. better Graves, and this small change would give him a small push into having the ability to trade better with the hypercarries we're seeing atm.
I miss running the tanky botlane with my GF! (Taric + Graves) Rito, pls!
