Riot, Why are you saying "Garen should remain an unviable pick" and then giving Warwick a rework?

DarkPh0enix··2 votes·879 views

Seriously.

Riot has stated many times in the past that they do not want Garen to be a competitive pick. And then, they go and rework Warwick with their intentions being "a great jungler that can also serve as a newbie's introduction to the jungle". Thanks Riot, we Garen mains appreciate it (actually, I dropped him since he is such a bad pick). Looking at the Juggernauts, what does Garen offer that the rest of them do not? Illaoi despite being kiteable offers way more teamfight presence, Darius deals with kiting much better and also way, WAY more damage and a way bigger lane bully, Nasus is one of the best splitpushers and an amazing all around champion late game and his E provides more armor reduction than Garen's E up to 160 armor (not including cleaver), Olaf can just go HAM and murder everybody.

We are not asking for him to get a free malphite ultimate every 5 seconds or something. But considering how stupid his kit is (Thanks for giving us out of combat sustain on a juggernaut guys) and how weak he is, after the E "buff" and the Warwick Rework, I feel insulted as a (now ex) Garen main.

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Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

Because he is the biggest linear state stick in LoL who either completely lacks counterplay or conversely completely lacks options. Depending on your tier of play and his current numbers balance. But Garen mains would flip their shit if he was reworked properly.

DarkPh0enix2 votes

If he doesn't lose his identity (his E and his "DEMACIAAAAAAAAAAA") I am fine. No Garen main would lose their shit and I have faith in Riot after the amazing Sion, Poppy and Warwick reworks.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

I see plenty on the boards who think he is the healthiest design in League. Talk to them about it. I like Garen. But there is no point in mastering him. He offers nothing Darius or other Juggernauts cannot do better.

Big Lincoln1 votes

shyvana is a bigger stat stick than garen

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Shyvana is AS based. She is easier to itemize against. She alsi has a skillshot leap and push. And a skill shot damage. She has no shred and no true damage either. Her AoE is not high damage, Shyvana can be CC out of her primary damage, Garen on the other hand is not AA reliant and will just keep spinning.

Shyvana is stronger because she is a jungler. Therefore she doesn't have to lane. But she is far less linear. Which is why she actually has options in high tier play.

But nice try.

Big Lincoln1 votes

muh skill shot does not make you any less of a stat stick. Being CC'd doesn't either.

easier to itemize against? She does more mixed damage, both of them have % damage. Shyvana is the epitome of "I have better stats, so I win;" you either get beaten to death by her mixed damage and on-hits or she's worthless. Just like how Garen will either run you down or get relegated to split pushing, Shyvana either snowballs out of control or becomes a dead weight.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

Yes it does...

The thing that makes Garen a Stat Check and Riven not. Is if you CC Riven or dodge her execute ultimate she does no damage. If you CC Garen he still does damage, and you cannot dodge his ultimate.

Shyvana is AA based. Meaning you can countplay her with lockdown. If Shyvana is CC'd she does no damage. Also two sources of her damage can be dodged, and dodging her E also reduces her AA damage. Also she is countered harder by items. She has no shred, Garen now does plus buys cleaver. Shyvana's damage is cut to none by AS reductions both in items and abilities.

Also this means exhaust is a double whammy to her. Both get their dmg reduced. She also suffers AS loss.

Dodging Shyvana's ult lets you now be far from her. Not get knocked back and not take damage. Not taking her E cuts her DPS massively.

Being able to dodge, CC, counterbuild and outplay is the essence of outplaying. Shyvana is more stat check than some champions. But Riot considered her in a great spot before the rework and did the rework to just solidify her.

She is finished. They are happy with her.

Garen isn't. And needs a huge overhaul. Right now his gameplay is completely stat check. Is he fed? Don't go near him. Is he behind? Slaughter him.

Because he can't outplay you. But you also cannot beat him in melee range at all unless he is behind.

Again. Riot is reworking him. Shyvana sees high tier play and is generally fine.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

But Garen mains would flip their shit if he was reworked properly.

What? I would love a proper rework.

Mira Arya Enthe3 votes

There is a difference between types of mains. There are the people who are glad Fiora is a healthier design now. Then there is F3ora who posts on the boards constantly that old Fiora needs to come back.

VoidStaresBack3 votes

Oh, don't forget how Riot reworked Fiora just to spite them because Riot was salty crybabies over that individual whupping their asses with Fiora and how old Fiora had the highest skill ceiling in the game.

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

F3ora

Oh god don't remind me...

VoidStaresBack2 votes

Riot has acknowledged that Garen needs a larger rework than his juggernaut one, so they're not going to make him a viable pick until then because he's so stat-checky.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

This.

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