The Problem with Kindred and Shyvana

I am writing this do to really having a issues with some balance choice in the design of the game, which make little to no sense to me. Before you throw me under the bus let me plead my case. This might make more sense. The biggest issues I noticed in both and seems to be very mirroring each other both in kits and nerfs. Let us go down a list and you might see what i mean.

1.feast of famine

Both Shyvana and Kindred have a very clear goal set up for them. It was already in Kidnred's kit from first the design. But, For Shyvana It was stucked on her during the rework. And for Shyvana It was something they would not back down on. Both of them are forced to take objectives. However unlike Who can find the objective lying around, who's is at base and whos bonuses come as long as he just gets a kill.

Shyvana's and Kindred's have these big massive "Better stop me before I get It" button on them. Which basically sets them up in Shyvana's case. Having to play a overcomplexed game of Micromanagement. Where you have to try and get the dragon before everyone on the enemy team comes over and jumps you,which add too much Antishyvana counter play since stoping her from getting dragons is not only super easy,but also hurts her. Ergo, as soon as you can just steal dragon, get the buff and go on with your lives. It also does not help that Elder dragon does not effect Shyvana's passive. I know, Ive check many times.She does bonus damage but the armor and magic protection are not there after killing It.

However, for Kindred It is much worse. Not only having to play vs a Enemy junlger. But, you team. And unlike Shyvana, who even if her team kills the dragon she gets the buff. If Kindred does not get the killing blow on a jungle creep It is not her mark, If she does not at least assist. She does not get the mark. And Unlike Shyvana she does not get a bonus buff or even a element of Surprise. Shyvana could get dragon at anytime,But right as the jungle creep is marked It can be crushed with one good hit and a smite. And for champs, well If Kindred has no stacks from the jungle creeps then mowing her down via champions is easy Specially considering well..Them and Shyvana's other common.

2.No heals or CC or Escape

Shyvana's only version of CC is her ult, But that is mainly for state boost (A crap tier hp one at that now). Other Shyv has no auto heal boon or a good q,w,e stun. Her W, was once good for avoiding fights,but now It kind of is a engagement tool and nothing else. All Shyv has is raw damage, however that raw damage is easily trump by a good stun or heal.

But,Kindred. No stuns. Dance of arrows at one point could be used as a escape,but they nerfed what walls could be jumped and It feels liek it does not work half the time. And her Heal had been removed just to give wolf a jungle damage boon. But,also she got a massive state debuff in many areas.

They lack 3 things that some champs have in spades.

For example

-Stun,heal,escape

-Stun,untouchable frames,escape

-Super heal,escape, untouchable frames

-Stun, invis, 2 escapes.

-2 stuns, a super heal, escape.

Stun,invis,heals

heals,stuns,escapes

Heals,stuns, speed boons

Yet, Kindred and Shyvana none of those. Yet are tied to objective hunting. Which i guess you could say "They can get super OP" Which is fien but..

3.They cant get anymore overpower then anyone else,who does It by just framing gold.

Dragons come at five minutes. So, a game is usually around 15 to 30. Which means, shyv can get a max of 6 dragons for a total of 30 armor. But, that does include Elder dragon's not giving her armor.Which spawn around 35. But lets go with 3 armor which equals By end game. If you are lucky enough to grab up the dragons before anyone else does. Oh,wait forgot the free 5 at the start one sec..No item in lol..be damned.

For Kindred She gains 1.5% damage per hunt. Unlike who gets a big old 12% by hitting you 3 times. So, to reach vayne tiers she would need. About About 8 to 7 hunts to starts doing noticeable damage. And I reminds you she, has not heals,nor proper escapes and is meant to be a jungler and not a adc. This also does not include they many times, you will have to fight over hunts and lose them. And unlike Shyvana she does not get a free 1.5 start.

4.What am i getting at?

There is clearly a issues with having champs who do not have much to go on in terms of controlling enemies other then stat ballin when the state ballin barely even hits the nose of those who have It per given to them. It becomes a bigger issues when champs are given 3 of the big tide turning skills while Shyvana and Kindred are kind of left at the mercy of their team wanting to help them or not.

And I do notice the differnce. Shyvana has a harder time keeping alive even to a underfeed master Yi of the same level, and Kindred has become more or less invade bait. Shyvana no longer has a good stat boost to make up for her lack of CC all that jazz she lacked. And kindred's armor and heath debuff untop of remvoving her heals and nerfing dance of arrows time in wolf. Really makes It harder to control even your own jungle.

What I am trying to say is..THROW THEM A BONE RIOT!

Give Shyvana's Q in dragon from a stun or something.

Give Kindred their armor and hp back or atleast just the heal so,they aint gank bait.

Do something to balance this out. Cause, this..This is just silly.