Dynamic Queue still making ranked play a joke.

Gujin·May 26, 2016·89 votes·2,942 views

I'm certain everyone on this site will disagree with me, but ranked just isn't fun to play anymore alone. If I'm playing with friends, I'd rather play normals for the lax environment, but having to assemble groups together for ranked makes the experience downright boring, and doesn't really test my skill.

I guess the only positive is for all the funny high elo youtubers to interact more with each other to make more videos to generate more money, but outside of that, ranked is just a joke right now. Why not just instill duo queue and ranked 5's again? Having to go into a game versus a 3-4 man premade doesn't test my skill in the slightest, and it's a real bummer because this is the season where I actually wanted to push to Diamond.

Is Riot going to remove or change this anytime soon, or is dynamic queue here to stay forever?

39 Comments

ZarvanisMay 26, 201623 votes

You clearly don't spend much time on the boards. There are about a dozen posts every single day of people talking about how much they hate Dynamic Queue, and how pre-mades have ruined League. There are 'daily reminder that we want solo-queue' posts, well, daily.

There are extremely in-depth analysis posts on why it's garbage coming out what feels like every other day. It seems like only 1/200 people actually like it.

Also, Riot has been completely ignoring all of this. People are calling them out directly everyday, and they stay silent. Riot stubbornly refuses to give the community what they want because it's not what THEY want.

GujinMay 26, 20165 votes

You're right I don't come here at all, just wanted to add to the disdain pile because the past few ranked games put me on tilt.

ZarvanisMay 26, 20161 votes

A wise, overweight mad scientist once said about 20,000 times, "You know what they say, the more the merrier!"

chipndip1May 27, 20164 votes

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A wise, overweight mad scientist once said about 20,000 times, "You know what they say, the more the merrier!"

Now where's that DAMN fourth chaos emerald, though?

YUUKI VKMay 27, 20163 votes

one thing i dont get is how this works. i just lost to a 5man q, i asked my team anyone in a premade they all said no.... so 5man team has diamond 2's and 3's vs all diamond 3 payers that are solo. how in the fuck is that fair at all. like wut

ZedexMay 27, 20161 votes

You're obviously lying or mistaken. If you queued alone, there is 0 chance for a team of 5 players who queued up to go against your team of messy solo players. Actually, probably less then 0, if that were possible.

The Queen ViperMay 27, 20165 votes

You are wrong.

It is possible, however in the lower elo it's extremely rare while in the very high elo it's very possible. We have many funny videos about the Korean master / challenger solo players going against a full team of SKT T1.

NazuzONLYMay 28, 20161 votes

i had a game where it was a 5team vs A duo, not 2 duos...not a duo and triple...a duo and 3 solos, vrs a higher mmr team of a 5 man dynamic prob in voice coms

i would say if anything make the 5 man team lower on mmr than the duo+3solos but even that seems like its rigging the match... all i know is...

all higher mmr this season all higher last season 2 of my people were unranked, the other 3 only one was ranked last season all of theirs were ranked last season, 2 of which being gold

5man vs only a duo is gross higher mmr team than the other is gross them being higher rank both last season and this season is gross

put this all together, shits gross af

just because it doesnt happen to you, or overall only happens X% of the time

doesnt mean that it doesnt happen alot to some people....

shit my other account i lost 31/40 games....yes thirty one out of 40....out of the possible teammates (that id have a 50% of going either positive or negative) i had 125 out of 160 teammates feed (i dont call 3/4 feeding, i call like 1/23 feeding or 0/12 or even 1/10)

125/160.... what % is that? sure its a 50% chance to get a feeder or a winner but....notice how out of 40 games its showing not 50% but rather 78% chance for feeder and 21% chance for someone who at least goes even? btw i was about 28-31 wins above my losses....wanna guess where i started winning? perfect 50-50 wins/losses but im sure that and the fact everyone is around 50% winrate is on account to the matches being PERFECTLY balanced to the point tens-hundreds of millions of people have around 50%....yea lol....

in the game of chances, anything could happen and honestly are u gonna believe anything riot says? ever? they lie, make false promises, tell us what we want, refuse to give statistics, dont fix broken things, while breaking things that arent broken, have horrible pr for the game yet wonderful pr for "drawings" of the game, make bias'd surveys, ignore any well thought out factual survey, etc

and ur gonna believe em? if so you really...really shouldnt (btw clan tags give away the results 99% of the time, and for riot to say this happens in anything under 10% of the game id laugh at and KNOW they are lying...not think, know...unless im sure all those people from the same clan just happen to get into a game together LOL k)

The WhamboozlerMay 28, 20162 votes

There is NO chance of it being a less than 0 chance. That isn't how math works.

BluePolarizerMay 28, 20161 votes

there are videos of master/challenger players going against full TSM, CLG and SKT T1.

PbJMpP4xzkMay 27, 20161 votes

think proprely, i mean did your few last ranked just put you on tilt, or its even more than that and you just don't feel like playing the same game you used to love, because for me thats what happened, its too big of a change for me its not even the same game anymore.

Sedriss AxiosMay 27, 20164 votes

I think I have finally felt the pain. I just posted myself, about literally being bumped from Bronze 2 to 4 in a matter of weeks. Granted I'm new and have still been honing my skills, though I find myself a very competitive player....though I feel I've been matched with complete garbage as players. Dunno if its this dynamic play or something with matchmaking or its all the same. I'm addicted but losing interest fast

ZedexMay 27, 20162 votes

Dyanmic Queue is not the reason you lost rank, sorry thats what you think the problem is. Its not your team, its your mentality.

el PepE hanDs May 27, 20164 votes

Not sure why people complain I haven't done any premades and I am in master. And if they do have a premade it doesn't mean they have godlike syngery.

PbJMpP4xzkMay 27, 20161 votes

i will tell you why they complain, make a smurf to experance it by yourself.

in lower lvl of plays, you encounter alot of preamdes and the result is mostlikely the same every match, if you are bot lane its gonna be a huge pain, why ? because you will get dove by the 3 or 4 premade continiously to the point you don't want to lane anymore thats how the lower tiers works right now, thats unhealthy there is no deversity of plays that you can expect unless who dove the best and its kinda redundan and boring, 6.10 made me quit the game, now i am on the board to see if others peoples share my toughts and to look if riot will do something about it or if not im gone thats not the league i used to play anymore.

ZedexMay 27, 20163 votes

Maybe when you get ganked early by their team (by the way, since when did i have to be in a premade to gang up on the shitty bot laners?) you should probably think of a better way to go about your playstyle instead of just, "oh, I'll go do the exact same thing again, except im pouting because i just died so now im "titled" and the game is totally over and its all Riot's fault and their Dynamic Queues."

Really, just get up, dust yourself off, and realize that you don't win every game. And ganks happen. Don't pout or give up because they happened to you by more then 1 person.

PbJMpP4xzkMay 27, 20163 votes

yeah.... no with my over 8000 games played of league, i know its a queue problem and not a behaviour or simple understanding of the game probelme, actualy let me group with some friends maybe 3 or 4 and lets vs you in bot lane with a player that you don't know in bot aswell to see the epic stuff you gonna do when we gonna dive you.

yeah your point is irrevelant.

DeathBurstMay 27, 20164 votes

If you agree with DuoQ, you agree with 80% of the matches you play in current DynQ. I'm currently collecting statistics on the composition of teams to back this claim with hard data, since Riot doesn't want to be transparent about it, but I'm already convinced that this whole "I play all my games with a 4-man premade who ruins my experience" is just a myth...

ZedexMay 27, 20163 votes

Its pretty much just bad players blaming their losses on something they think is the problem. The "ELO Hell" complaint has all but seemingly went away since Dynamic Queue came out. Another scape goat for players who lose more then win to blame.

DeathBurstMay 27, 201612 votes

Yeah, but the ELO Hell had a base of truth to it, not in that a specific ELO is particularly bad, but in that the ELO slightly below the one you belong to feels particularly bad to you. You're still better, but not better enough to solo-carry consistently.

On top of that, the notion "I should be Gold but I'm stuck in Bronze 'cause ELO Hell" was largely dismissed by the community, whereas today, even Diamond and Challenger and famous Youtubers complain that "DynamicQ is ruining competitive integrity".

Maybe DynQ is just the new scapegoat, but the perception of DynQ in the community is a much serious issue than ELO Hell ever was.

chipndip1May 27, 20161 votes

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Yeah, but the ELO Hell had a base of truth to it, not in that a specific ELO is particularly bad, but in that the ELO slightly below the one you belong to feels particularly bad to you. You're still better, but not better enough to solo-carry consistently.

On top of that, the notion "I should be Gold but I'm stuck in Bronze 'cause ELO Hell" was largely dismissed by the community, whereas today, even Diamond and Challenger and famous Youtubers complain that "DynamicQ is ruining competitive integrity".

Maybe DynQ is just the new scapegoat, but the perception of DynQ in the community is a much serious issue than ELO Hell ever was.

It IS a scapegoat, but DQ won't be able to last without some means of leveling the playing field for those that are solo.

DeathBurstMay 27, 20162 votes

I'd argue the playing field is as level as it was when DuoQ existed. If you go solo, you won't have any 3- or 4-man premade in the vast majority of your games. The VAST majority.

chipndip1May 27, 20161 votes

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I'd argue the playing field is as level as it was when DuoQ existed. If you go solo, you won't have any 3- or 4-man premade in the vast majority of your games. The VAST majority.

It kind of is in that sense, but there are few occasions where that doesn't occur, especially at high elo. I honestly think comms in the game would be the best plan of action to really make the game take the next step forward.

DeathBurstMay 28, 20161 votes

I totally can get behind that. What I cannot get behind is all the free bashing on DynQ.

DrCyanideMay 27, 20166 votes

What makes it funny to me is that every complaint about Dynamic Queue is something that has existed in Bronze/Silver for years. Tell me if you've heard these:

My teammates don't listen to my pings
My teammates don't ping
My teammates are focusing the wrong thing at the wrong time
It doesn't matter how good I am, my teammates still lose the game
I'm better than my rank says I am, I belong at a higher rank
I don't know how this teammate got matched with me, they're so bad

"Ranked Integrity" is something that gets brought up, but that was a fantasy for the majority of the community.

BluePolarizerMay 28, 20162 votes

none of these are issues in Dynamic Queue for me.

The biggest issues are:

I have no idea what your rank means anymore. Who knows if a silver is actually silver, and not b5?
My personal contribution means little now because if I'm solo and carry, I get camped, but if I'm losing, I get blamed by everyone else and get no help. Even if I get carried, it still feels terrible.
Why should high elo players have to face the same problems as low elo players? Do NBA players and high school teams face the same issues? Is that not what we want to escape by becoming high elos?

DrCyanideMay 28, 20161 votes

Point 1 is my last point. Point 2 is my Point 4.

Point 3 is nonsense. When was the last time a bunch of Solo Basketball Players competed in the NBA? When was the last time someone got to the NBA without being on another team (likely a college team) first?

What you want to escape from in low elo is being matched with complete idiots. Junglers who would go Devourer every game and never know that Dragons gave 5 stacks, allies that go 0/13/0 because they're trying to be too aggressive in a lost lane, etc. Dynamic Queue more often than not helps low elo players, regardless of if they're solo or with a group, because the grouped players have others to help them focus on the big picture, effectively making the whole group not complete idiots. Smurfs are a problem, but they always have been and always will be, that's not related to Dynamic Queue.

NazuzONLYMay 28, 20161 votes

and this to ive made alot of accounts, and ive gotten 3 different ones to gold

in the end i can say for a fact there is elo hell let me explain in one sentence why you're wrong "you will never be better than someone can be worse"

aka sure u can get 5 kills in 10mins and get a tower

but someone can also die 10times in 10mins not knowing wtf he is doing or just trolling or intentionally feeding

now add in afk's now add in intentional feeders now add in uneven teams now add in premades vs non premades now add in trolls now add in smurfs

all these factors and yet matchmaking is balanced to the point almost everyone (MILLIONS of people) have a 50% winrate? lemme ask u this...u know for a fact a coins a coin, u know it has 2 sides and has a 50% chance to get either heads or tails

wouldnt it look suspicious if literally everyone got heads 49 or 50 or 51 times out of 100? im not talking a few im talking like 100 million people all rolled that... doesnt look shady? matchmaking looks that perfect to you?

dont get me wrong i understand what ur saying as in people dont realize their mistakes as much as they should and they probably blame their team more than they should to...but saying there is no such thing as elo hell then i can snuff that argument really quick and if u invite me i can guarantee that you lost your next however many games we playtogether)

but again, if elo hell doesnt exist u got nothing to worry about to add me up bro =) otherwise u can agree that elo hell is a thing and people can hold u back from where u belong (works both ways, u could get awesome teammates in a majority of games and get higher than u should be)

but whos gonna complain, the team that got the trolls etc and lost lp cuz of it or the ones who gained it from the enemies troll or afk or w/e?

uve never won a game based off an afk? intentional feeder? troll? case n point

NazuzONLYMay 28, 20162 votes

personal exp is alot different also

u need to get that type of info from thousands of people to be worth anything

i actually get alot of games where its not only the other team is higher mmr but they have a group or grps of people and we dont

and yes i do ask in game whos paired and i ask after game and check stuff like na.op.gg to see if they played together

u want the results? its random, it does happen, and it happens more to some than others

but to sit here and say it happens in 1% of ur games to not even happening at all is beyond laughable...and im sure the enemies all having the same clan tag and my team saying and accounts showing they havent played with anyone else on the team.....must be lying because riots statistics as shown in this quote "........" show that riot is right

thats literally what i see happening, idk about you

The WhamboozlerMay 28, 20162 votes

Er... wouldn't ANY games being played against premades make the mode less fair to solo players than before? I mean, if the game said "because you have chosen to play solo, you will have to play one game out of every 20 without a minimap", you'd be pretty miffed, right? Because the game is gimping your chances of success. It's supposed to be as level a playing field as it can be. It's not. Premades win and solos... hope they get good premades. Skill is less of a factor than just... having a team.

It kinda corrupts the entire point of ranked.

DeathBurstMay 28, 20161 votes

"ANY" game makes the mode "less" fair. Sure, I can't deny that. But this is a qualitative statement. You need to take into account the quantitative side, too. If this happens so rarely that the change in fairness is negligible, it's not a real problem.

On top of that, having a premade isn't guaranteed to be an advantage or a disadvantage. There are people like me who just go into premade with anons they met during previous games in Ranked, and that do not use any voice chat. Comparing that to having no mini-map is a gross exaggeration. It's wrong to say that the game is always decided by the premade and that the solo players can only cross fingers. Solo players can play and carry just as well.

NoksterzMay 27, 20163 votes

Riot has never admitted failure in anything. They wont do it with DynQ either. 80% of the community hates it but they claim that "the playerbase asked for it". I havent touched ranked this season on my main acct. I tried it on one of my smurfs at the beginning and didnt like it. Personally i think that even IF Riot gets rid of it, it wont be until after the ranked season is over. They wont do it midseason. Nor will they give us a soloQ midseason. I also believe that Riot does whatever they think is best for us, whether we like it/want it or not. We clearly dont want dynQ but it doesnt matter cuz theyll claim it was a success (when it clearly isnt) and continue on with it next season. Sadly this sorry excuse for a ranked queue is what will continue to be shoved down our throats against our will lol

King of MongooseMay 27, 20162 votes

Dynamic q is fine, if you can't carry yourself to diamond you don't deserve it

The Queen ViperMay 27, 20166 votes

On the contrary, it's TOO EASY to climb now via abusing the possibility of grouping / playing with premades, getting boosted and carried to a rank people don't deserve anyway... it destroyed ranked integrity and your rank means nothing now.

ZoeeeeMay 27, 20164 votes

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Dynamic q is fine, if you can't carry yourself to diamond you don't deserve it

Playing all solos vs a 5 man premade is NOT okay.

ZoeeeeMay 27, 20162 votes

I got from bronze 5 to challenger 5 in season 5, but now I'm either stuck in Que 3 or wood 7. Dynamic que killed my hopes and dreams.

MrRainbowPandaMay 27, 20161 votes

Dynamic queue works for me because i only find other premades when I'm in a premade https://www.twitch.tv/mrrainbowpandaa

ChamberMay 27, 20161 votes

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I'm certain everyone on this site will disagree with me, but ranked just isn't fun to play anymore alone. If I'm playing with friends, I'd rather play normals for the lax environment, but having to assemble groups together for ranked makes the experience downright boring, and doesn't really test my skill.

I guess the only positive is for all the funny high elo youtubers to interact more with each other to make more videos to generate more money, but outside of that, ranked is just a joke right now. Why not just instill duo queue and ranked 5's again? Having to go into a game versus a 3-4 man premade doesn't test my skill in the slightest, and it's a real bummer because this is the season where I actually wanted to push to Diamond.

Is Riot going to remove or change this anytime soon, or is dynamic queue here to stay forever?

100% agree with you. Riot wont even comment on the issue so dont count on them to bring back solo/duo Q or change dynamic Q.