Veigar needs another skillshot

Kal Vas Flam··2 votes·420 views

His ult. This is a problem Riot.

I have this Q that has some decent range. I like it. It gives me double bonus points and is pretty easy to land in most cases. If the enemy is good at hiding behind minions and you can't hit him, well, then you got outplayed. Sometimes that happens. Still though, I like his Q how it is now.

His stun is kinda good and kinda sad. I'm OK with it in it's current state. It is easy as balls to dodge, but sometimes it's large area makes it very versatile. I use it offensively and defensively with good success (most of the time). The actual casting range is really short, but it's one of those things that good players will use to great effect (note that I'm claiming to be a good player, lol).

His AoE nuke is great, when it lands. This is hard to do, it's suppose to be hard to do cause it hits like a mack truck. Would I like the delay to maybe be reduce to 1 second instead of 1.2? Sure, but other than that I can't complain. I like challenging kits cause I feel good when I pull it off.

Now, back to his ult. What the literal fuck. This thing is great except I have to die to use it. No competent team is going to let my 700 AP Veigar just waltz up and drop this nuke without insta-gibbing me. I usually have to flash in just to use it unless I'm fighting a truly incompetent team. I wouldn't mind adding some risk to landing it in exchange for being able to actually land it and possibly still survive the fight. I'd like the range increased and have it turned into a skillshot. Needless to say it would need to ignore minions. It doesn't need Lux range, but you now, maybe 100-150 longer range.

I love this guy. I bought his Elite Boss skin just because I love it so much. I really want to do well with him, but I'm having to stop playing him because his hard hitting nukes just aren't enough. I can play Brand, Syndra, Xerath, Ahri, Cass, Ziggs, etc. and do just fine (if not better) in the damage department without sacrificing myself every single fight.

You made some tough choices with Veig, but you didn't make enough changes. #moreviegskillshots2015. Do it. Thank you for reading.

7 Comments

The Bearded Bard3 votes

You're playing Veigar wrong. Check my match history, I think I've got two or three games of Veigar listed there. Never more than 2 deaths, almost always more than 10 kills. You play him like any squishy burst mage with no escapes, dance around the edge of teamfights avoiding damage, trap them in the cage, drop that now unavoidable QW and slap them with the ult. If you somehow miss the cage (it's seriously one of the easiest skillshots in the game) then back off and try again when it's off CD.

With his changes Veigar was improved massively for those who take the time to learn him, but most people refuse to do so because they see less targetted damage and more skillshots and they think he's trash. He's better than ever, and way more fun to play now.

EDIT: If you think any of those champions out damage Veigar you're dead wrong and you should stop playing him now. Cass and Brand in an extended fight, maybe, but no one outbursts Veigar, especially not Ahri.

Kal Vas Flam1 votes

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With his changes Veigar was improved massively for those who take the time to learn him, but most people refuse to do so because they see less targetted damage and more skillshots and they think he's trash. He's better than ever, and way more fun to play now.

EDIT: If you think any of those champions out damage Veigar you're dead wrong and you should stop playing him now. Cass and Brand in an extended fight, maybe, but no one outbursts Veigar, especially not Ahri.

I don't think he's trash, I LOVE him. Maybe I'm just not skilled enough with him yet. I'm used to being able to pick any champ and stomp mid. I still do OK with him during lane but just have to struggle, and the main reason for that is any jungler with a brain will just wait for me to go in for an ult and then get an easy kill. But maybe I'm just bad.

Those other champions have a lot more AOE. Their single target isn't as high, but I always exceed 60-80k DMG with them because of the massive AOE damage they do. I struggle to break 40K with Veig. I'm no pro but I get how math works.

Thanks for your input though. Not trying to argue with anyone. I actually like Skillshots too but maybe I'm loopy that way.

The Bearded Bard1 votes

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I don't think he's trash, I LOVE him. Maybe I'm just not skilled enough with him yet. I'm used to being able to pick any champ and stomp mid. I still do OK with him during lane but just have to struggle, and the main reason for that is any jungler with a brain will just wait for me to go in for an ult and then get an easy kill. But maybe I'm just bad.

Those other champions have a lot more AOE. Their single target isn't as high, but I always exceed 60-80k DMG with them because of the massive AOE damage they do. I struggle to break 40K with Veig. I'm no pro but I get how math works.

Thanks for your input though. Not trying to argue with anyone. I actually like Skillshots too but maybe I'm loopy that way.

Then keep trying him. Learn more before you ask for changes the rest of us don't want.

DrCyanide2 votes

No. Just no.

Here's an idea, take Ghost instead of Barrier. It helps you mitigate one of Veigar's weaknesses (lack of mobility), and lets you chase down those low HP enemies that are fleeing away. It might be just what you're looking for in those teamfights too.

Trídent2 votes

No. Just stay behind your tanks and EW+ QR or EWQ+R AFTER they have initiated. This way you won't die easily. Zhonya's is also a core item on Veigar. If you're feeling scared, you can activate it right after a combo, though I'd advise to save it until you are actually in danger of being bursted.

Best Darius KR1 votes

This thing is great except I have to die to use it.

THIS is what i was waiting to hear

FHMarshy1 votes

I think what you are asking for is increased range on his ult, not making it a skill shot.

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