Wasn't even a full page, Holy moly they cost a lot lol
EDIT: god damn why is everyone hating, all I said that they cost a lot, and yes I realise this game is f2p, but literally everyone that said that spent money on this game, I'm sure of it
Asayake 5150glow26 votes*Saves IP for rune pages while the bundle is a thing so I can actually have more optimal AD, AS, and AP (or perhaps not, maybe another AD) and tank runes
*tries not to think about how much it'll cost to fill those pages
Danjeng10 votesHey buddy, I heard you were looking for some Runes?
I got some from the blue man himself.
18 Krakens for a set of T3's, the best.
Mpen, energy, got some dodge chances, real vintage quality runes.
You can't find these anymore at the Institute of War.
10Tickler11 votes
Did somebody say DODGE?
xelaker4 votesthe crying about the price of fake items, paid for by fake currency, in a free to play game seems a little silly doesn't it...
Durandil84 votesthe crying about the price of fake items, paid for by fake currency, in a free to play game seems a little silly doesn't it...
The time investment to earn that "fake currency" is definitely real.
President Swa1n36 votesIndeed. Is 'fake' currency really fake when it needs to be earned?
MonkeyMadness2 votesYou ever try paying rent (or mortgage if you decided to buy your home) with IP? Kinda doesn't work like that I don't think...
Venomar26 votesLol, you think money has actual value other than what "they" tell us it's worth. That's funny.
MonkeyMadness1 votesThis just in, the latest shipment of tin foil was completely bought out and is currently being worn as a hat. Grow up, you angsty teen.
MortalButt24 votesWe give people pieces of paper or useless metal for things we want. No tin foil hats needed. Value is given to worthless things for whatever reason.
Balisan9 votesThe reason is very valid. It is a currency that is very easy to divide, very easy to exchange, and is not significantly affected by deterioration.
Fiat money gets around a lot of limitations that direct bartering of goods has.
MonkeyMadness1 votesPieces of paper that are based on the value of gold...did you ever stop and think about where the term "gold standard" comes from?
VoidStaresBack3 votesYou realize that the United States, for example, has been off the gold standard for years?
And that gold is in and of itself something we give an arbitrary value to, it has no value on its own without people thinking it has value.
Lauchmelder3 votesMoney only holds value as long as people believe in it.
Why do you think the Euro and the USD exist and you can't use the USD in europe at least until you exchange it?
There's only so much items with a real significant "buypower" that is accepted all around the globe: gold, platinum, oil, etc. And even those need to be sold to gain "virtual" currency.
MonkeyMadness1 votesMoney only holds value as long as people believe in it.
Wrong. Money (like the USD) holds its value as long as gold holds its value (which is effectively forever). You see, many modern currencies are based on the value of gold. This is how currency began. Coins used to be made out of precious metals, and the value of each coin was equal to the value of the materials used to make it. When that became difficult and tedious, governments began to print money based on the value of precious metals they had i their coffers. This is where the term "gold standard" originates, as gold is literally the "gold standard" for the value of many currencies.
So when you say this bullshit like "virtual currency" you have made a fatal flaw in logic, as printed money is directly related to the value of gold and other such valuables.
Lauchmelder2 votesIf I own a house and you want to buy it with a currency i'm not familiar with it has no value for me, no matter how much you offer.
My "fatal flaw" is your failure to see logic.
MonkeyMadness1 votesThe difference between my statement and yours is that if I possess a real currency that you are unfamiliar with, I can just go to the bank and exchange it for a currency that you approve of. This simply cannot be done with IP.
Lauchmelder2 votesWhich has absolutely 0 to do with my original statement, thus it's a pointless argument
MonkeyMadness1 votesHow does this have nothing to do with your original statement??? It has EVERYTHING to do with it. You made a statement that real money is just as fake as IP. I stated facts to disprove your argument. The only reason you say this is because apparently you cannot handle being proven wrong. Such a triggered 2016 baby.
Lauchmelder2 votesLet me make something clear: If someone doesn't know the value of a thing called "money" then it's worthless. You fail to see that even our money is just a fake construct to have a universal means of transactions.
If I don't know what something called "money" is then you hand me a piece of paper or some metal pieces for my house, which is not a fair trade at all. But instead of seeing the point you are stuck in your own opinion.
You obviously fail to hold a discussion on a theoretical and more or less philosophical level.
Read this and you MIGHT understand (and yes, the question isn't new and the answer is obvious):
Lauchmelder2 votesCan you try using your brain? It's not about not knowing money itself, it's about knowing if it's ACTUAL currency or not.
If I hand you a piece of paper and call it the new "Dutch Dollar" you wouldn't take it because you don't think it's an actual currency.
You are blinded by your own statement without ANY idea why. "You have to accept money because it has always been that way." The very basic idea of money is transaction, a trade.
Instead of holding your ground you probably should try to find arguments that actually have a meaning. Oh, you can't, too bad...
This conversation is over, I'm losing braincells here.
Shaco my BFF2 votesYou do realise "real life" currency is also just a fictional thing made up? Before money was created, people traded items such as potatoes for cabbages for example. Then "money" currency was created. Now if you wanted you could sell you 1Kg of potatoes for 5 units of "money", etc.
Only thing that gives money value are the people using it. If people would stop using money as currency, it would have no value.
Ral Tir Tal Sol2 votesUmm, fiat money is imposed on a peoples by the residing government entity of that region.
Lets take the U.S. dollar for example. You are forced to use that as your currency by the U.S. government. Even though it is not backed by anything besides a promise of money, otherwise known as debt.
Dollars used to be Legal tender worth 1 silver dollar. Meaning that the worthless paper you held in your hands actually had worth. They had the backing of a silver dollar, which actually WAS worth something.
Why do you think the price of silver/gold goes up? Not because silver and gold is disappearing from the earth?? But because MORE and MORE dollar bills are being printed, meaning that it takes more to buy the same amount of gold/silver. You cant just keep mass producing a product without expecting its value to go down; the same goes for money...
Shaco my BFF2 votesYou do realise valuable metals no longer decide price of dollar? There's no relation between two anymore. Also you CAN buy things for other currencies such as just trading items. It just has to come down to both parties to agree to terms.
Shaco my BFF2 votesUSD value is not related to precious metals value. Learn that. Also gold, silver have no other value than the value we give to them. There's nothing, I repeat NOTHING in nature that actually would declare gold to be more precious than an apple for example. Only reason it is so, is because humankind have declared it so, but even so, for some people an Apple is worth more than a piece of gold.
As I said, only thing that gives this "money" currency value are the people who use it. If residents of USA would one day say that USD isn't their currency anymore, USD would start dropping value, because there's no demand for it. This would lead to chain reaction, where other currencies also fail. People using the currency give it value, simply by demand and acceptance.
MonkeyMadness1 votesWow. Ok, next time you go to buy groceries, please try trading some of your goods for them. Oh wait, you have no goods of value. Guess you can starve to death. See why this super fake "money" stuff is so essential in modern society? Also, such an analysis of money fails to grasp the actual concept of the institution. Back when humans were exclusively hunters and gatherers, they would trade goods for other goods. However, as civilization grew, this manner of trading became increasingly inefficient, especially for some professions. For example, how is a blacksmith going to obtain the raw materials for his craft in addition to purchasing food? He could trade swords and other such products for iron, but then he couldn't eat. He could also trade his works for food, but then where would he get his raw materials? This is when currency came into play. People would use gold (the value of which was "fixed") as a substitute for actual goods. Now, the blacksmith could buy his raw materials with gold, create an item, and sell it for more gold than he invested in the materials. He could then reinvest some of that gold into more materials, AND buy food, whereas previously, he would have to chose between food and materials. Gold was, in this manner, very transferable. It could be used to purchase anything, whereas goods may only fetch certain other goods in a trade. This allowed for the compartmentalization of labor, which allowed civilizations to grow (not everyone needed to farm food for themselves, so other professions sprung up, leading to increases in technology, etc). Eventually, it became inefficient to carry gold around, so currency was invented to represent a certain value in gold. In fact, this is how the USD works: the value of the USD is DIRECTLY related to the value of gold in Fort Knox, and other such banks in the treasury department. That's where the term "gold standard" comes from, as gold is the literal gold standard for the value of any good, service, or purchasable entity in our economy (this is true for many modern nations). So when you say shit like
"real life" currency is also just a fictional thing made up
You couldn't be more incorrect, as "real currency" has its worth defined by the current value of gold.
IP, however, has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to back up its value. There is no "gold standard" for IP. It is worthless outside of League of Legends, it is completely nontransferable, and to say otherwise is categorically wrong.
Shaco my BFF2 votesUSD's worth isn't defined by value of gold anymore. Do some research before you talk something. Also a side note: learn to read.
PS: TL;DR also badly formated. Oh, and yes, you could trade X item for Y if both parties of the said trade accepted, again, learn to read.
MonkeyMadness1 votesCorrect, but that doesn't make my statement any less correct. The gold standard was "done away with" by the US government in the 30s so that the treasury could print more money and help stimulate the economy. However, the US government still keeps plenty of gold on hand at places like Fort Knox to back up their currency. It's just that the value of the dollar is now heavily influenced by the market. Also, it's not like you can just opt out of US currency. It's kind of legally binding...
Oh, and yes, you could trade X item for Y if both parties of the said trade accepted, again, learn to read.
I challenge you to find any record of such a transaction (either government agencies making a purchase or some other business arrangement, not just you trading your Pokemon cards).
Shaco my BFF2 votesYou do realise all laws are also manmade? moment majority would stop following them, they would become irrelevant.
Money has no real value. Laws have no real natural value. These are things humans made up. We can just as easily ditch them.
MonkeyMadness1 votesAh, you are an angsty anarchist. Welp, time to join the real world and get with the program, buddy.
Shaco my BFF2 votesYou're heavily biased and live in a tiny box, don't you? Open your mind and open the gates to knowledge you filty 'murican peasant.
MonkeyMadness1 votesYou do realize I hope that if not for us 'muricans, you'd either be speaking German or Russian right now, right? Grow up kid.
Shaco my BFF2 votes[slayer-pantheon-thumbs] [zombie-brand-clap] [zombie-brand-facepalm]
Melledoneus25 votesGet the hell out of here with that bullshit. You play the game, so you should know that people spend time to get these things. Trying to look down upon people complaining about their efforts not feeling rewarding when they should be is perhaps the stupidest thing you can do if you play the game.
It's not very fake if we paid for it with our time, effort, and thoughts. That's like saying people who make animations have used their efforts for nothing, and that them getting paid for coming out with quality content is silly.
MonkeyMadness1 votesIt's not very fake
Can you use it to pay your bills? If not, it's probably fake...
Here's what's up:
You guys are complaining about a free-to-play game not being free enough. The entitlement is palpable.
Posts complaining about how expensive runes are really do offend players like me that have spent literally years grinding up the IP to unlock all the champs, all 20 rune pages, and every viable rune. I'm not saying it's easy, but if you prioritize your IP correctly, you won't just "run out". Here's my advice: farm up a nice bunch of champs (50-60 or so, this really isn't as hard as it sounds, considering that it takes 3-5 games for the 450s) then save for runes. Start specializing your runes pages based on the roles you ACTUALLY PLAY. NEVER UNLOCK CONTENT JUST TO HAVE IT OR BECAUSE IT'S OP. ONLY UNLOCK CONTENT THAT YOU KNOW WITH 100% CERTAINTY THAT YOU WILL USE. If you do this correctly, you will notice that you actually have plenty of IP, and eventually you will have enough that you can afford to just blow some of it on random shit.
Melledoneus15 votesCan you use it to pay your bills? If not, it's probably fake...
Can you use things like good academic standing and healthy social interaction to pay bills? No? Fucking fake, be a social recluse and drop out of high school to get a factory job.
By your logic, we should all be cookie cutter blue collar workers.
MonkeyMadness1 votesLOL you have a terrible world view. Good academic standing = good job prospect = more non-monopoly money = bills paid.
By your logic, we should all be cookie cutter blue collar workers.
How. The. Fuck. Did. You. Manage. To. Come. To. This. Conclusion???
No, really, take me through your train of thought, I've always wondered what it would be like to see the world in manner that defies any and all logic.
Melledoneus7 votesLOL you have a terrible world view. Good academic standing = good job prospect = more non-monopoly money = bills paid.
How. The. Fuck. Did. You. Manage. To. Come. To. This. Conclusion???
How should I know? It's your logic applied to real life. Being a pessimist is not exactly being realistic, you know.
MonkeyMadness1 votesI'm not being pessimistic, I'm being a normal human person that lives on the planet Earth. You just likened the importance of education to that of the League of Legends currency system. That's like comparing apples and car batteries. If that doesn't make sense to you, then I think I've succeeded in proving my point.
Melledoneus20 votesIn economics, you learn about things that hold store of value. Bitcoins, for example, are a store of value. IP technically has value because it has a consistent conversion rate with RP, which is monetary in nature. In-game currency is still currency, and IP is like a currency that is earned to match the value of that which can be bought with money. Therefore, IP has monetary value.
You stated that if it does not pay bills, then it's probably fake. Bills are a very, very small part of the real world, and if you think that your troubles end at bills you are in for an unpleasant surprise, my friend. Changing market values, natural rates of unemployment, the usual cyclical unemployment, and overall unexpected shifts in the labor market could all spell bad news for your way of living.
Perhaps you don't find it that bad to grind the IP necessary to buy pages of runes. Hell, I grinded and got 20 pages with all the runes I could ever want. And even I agree that it's stupidly expensive and can be toned down. You can disagree and warrant the price, but don't try to be condescending and act like you're talking to a bunch of misfits who don't know anything about the real world. I am willing to bet most of the people who play League have dealt with a lot more toil in the world than you or I have, and acting like they are children is highly disrespectful overall.
I hope you can have an open mind and consider what I said advice rather than a threat to your psyche.
DepressedAhri6 votesIf I'm making $1000 a month and pay $250 for rent, does that make the other $750 fake money because it didn't pay for my bills?
HexaDecimel3 votesPlease provide him with some Aloe Vera before burning him so badly......
dchxlgfn11649 votesStop replying you're getting fucking shit on go take night classes
AlienPrimate2 votesOne problem with what you said. If you unlock a bunch of champions before getting runes, life really sucks when you lose lane almost every game. If everyone has runes except you, you really gimp yourself. I just wish they would completely do away with runes or make them all free like masteries are. Giving someone an unfair advantage in the early stages of the game just doesn't make sense. A fresh level 30 already has the disadvantage of lack of experience then you gimp their stats too by not giving them something essential to a build?
Ral Tir Tal Sol2 votesAll fresh level 30s have the same gimping though? In theory no one with no runes should be playing with someone with a bunch of them; UNLESS all they have mainly bought is runes and they have sacrificed not having as many champions.
Exceptions to this may happen, such as a player that's been around for like 5 years and is still bronze 5, but that's an outlier.
EternalShred2 votesYou see , there is no reason why runes wouldn't be cheaper , also anything I spend time and effort on becomes real to me , IP is currency never the less , if i worked different jobs at the same time to make enough money to buy my own car, it's real , so why would spending hours collecting IP to buy runes not be real?
MonkeyMadness1 votesI'm not saying the time isn't real, BUT THIS ISN'T YOUR FUCKING JOB. YOU ARE NOT OWED JACK SHIT FOR PLAYING THIS GAME. IT. IS. A. GAME. Take it as seriously as you wish (I know I certainly do) but at the end of the day, understand that unless you are actually a professional player, playing this game nets you NOTHING in the real world. Stop acting like Riot "owes" you something. Now, I get pissed when Riot does greedy shit like release a shitty skin for an OP champ and charge 1350 for it, but at the end of the day, it's their company, they can do what they want. The only thing that anyone can get justifiably angry about is when they change the actual game (ie new champs, nerfs/buffs, adding shit like DQ, etc) and create a negative overall experience. THAT is something we SHOULD complain about en masse, as it gives them feedback and potentially allows them to make changes to fix the negativity they've created (provided that they actually listen).
EternalShred2 voteswell , they don't owe me , but in the large scale they sure as hell should work hard to keep me and people like me
MonkeyMadness1 votesAnd they do. They are giving you all of this content FOR FREE. YOU LITERALLY DON'T HAVE TO PAY A CENT FOR THIS GAME.
EternalShred2 votesand that's why if they don't keep this game interesting , fair, and balanced i have no problem quitting
