Don't nerf Irelia , Rework Her

MinasotaBurns·May 20, 2016·3 votes·2,408 views

is a champion thats over 6 years old now and a champ that is in dire need of a complete rework , both visual and kit. She has always been a pain to play against , since its always a race against time. The longer you wait , the more of an unstoppable force she becomes. Her kit is very strong in all situations (Gapcloser with her Q , On hit true damage and heal W , Slow/Stun with her E , Poke or Pick-Off (or Sustain/Waveclear) with her R. And overall strong kit with decent counterplay. However, the major problem that negates counterplay is her passive during Teamfights. Normally , you would lock down a high threat target with CC to protect your carries in Teamfights , this does not apply to Irelia and thats why i think she needs a rework , or at least a changed passive. What do you guys think?

EDIT . Woops i swapped yes and no in the poll , stupid me , 1st answer means = NO REWORK 2nd = REWORK

12 Comments

YumaS2AstralMay 20, 20164 votes

To be honest, most diving fighters like her need a rework. Irelia, Jax, Xin Zhao, Aatrox, and to some extent Master Yi (if you count him as a diving fighter instead of a melee carry or assassin) - I didn't count AD Fizz since he is an assassin being built as a diving fighter and he is likely to be reworked on the Assassin update...

They all have been either very broken and problematic or weak and not relevant on the meta. Also, many times they are so similar to each other that you don't think "Should I pick Jax or Irelia?" you just pick the one which is the strongest on the meta. Most of them also have mechanics that make them pretty frustrating to play against, and make them broken if the meta favours them.

For example, Irelia has her stun, which rewards her for fighting against you at an HP disadvantage - this makes you feel that you are being punished for being ahead of Irelia or trading better than her. Her gap closer is also a nasty mechanic since if there are allied minions at low health Irelia can take advantage of this to zone you, especially if you are using a squishy champion since she can dash and stun and kill you by surprise.

There is also Jax has his Counterstrike which makes auto-attack champions completely useless against him; also, it has invisible power, since it also reduces AoE abilities by 25%. Most people don't even know that because it is hard to notice during a fight. If that is not enough, Jax also does a lot of magic damage with his kit, despite the fact that he is mostly built AD. This makes itemizing against him incredibly difficult.

MinasotaBurnsMay 20, 20161 votes

I agree.

Chuck CharlesMay 20, 20163 votes

uh irelia has a lot of problems. late game scaling is not one of them. she is weaker later in the game because her base damage (even if its true dmg) fals off signficantly. not only that, her main option is to dive the backline and later in the game that gets harder and harder. your stun is not reliable vs QSS and the like so you will just be shut down later in the game.

irelia is strongest with her trinity power level spike and a few levels in lane. levels 7-9 are huge for irelia. but I mean...her biggest problem has always been "well i want to trade with you, but now that you can kill me while i stunned i can't. she just zones you or you die. if you trade you get her lower than you and she stuns you. the way her E works is the only problem in her kit.

i mean thematically she feels like a mess. her ult feels out of place.

I'd say she needs the E reworked along with a new thematic ultimate, but her E is what makes Irelia...well Irelia. maybe if they gave her another ability that did more damage base on if she was lower HP than her opponent and the stun wasn't conditional anymore. conditional CC is kind of toxic but conditional damage isn't.

MinasotaBurnsMay 20, 20161 votes

Shes a mess in general. Better Rework Irelia. Irelia

SasogwaMay 20, 20162 votes

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The longer you wait , the more of an unstoppable force she becomes.

True and false at the same time. Irelia's a midgame monster and snowballs insanely well out of a single kill, yet she's not that great of a lategame (6 items) champion. At that stage, there are better splitpushing threats and better teamfight champions (teamfight is mostly about tanks and carries at that point)

MinasotaBurnsMay 20, 20161 votes

for the record irelia is quite tanky herself at that point too

SasogwaMay 20, 20161 votes

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for the record irelia is quite tanky herself at that point too

I meant CC monsters when I talked about tanks

OleandervineMay 20, 20161 votes

Maybe she'll get some love in the Assassin update? I'm not exactly sure what she qualifies as, but assassin seems closest.

BladesOfMightOct 28, 20161 votes

yeah ... can't wait to hear how Riot will fuck that one up ... like they did to my beloved shen .. like if you're reading this RIOT GAMES, keep her Q and her Ult the SAME .. it's what makes her so fun to play

LilxPaprikaMay 20, 20161 votes

Her stun is very cheesy if all you have is 1% less hp she can stun you for 2 seconds. I think that's the main thing they should address. I also think her ability to last his so well is lame I would make q cost more mana on minions.

I wouldn't need her overall power output. Keep her skill level such that she's still very strong in the right hands

Jeddy017May 20, 20161 votes

Irelia, one of the first champs to be the definition of an overloaded kit, is a good. candidate for a full Poppy/Sion/Taric level VGU. I'm sure once they get through Yorick, WW, Eve & Urgot (those in great need of a VGU), Irelia would be high on the priority list for a VGU.

Until then, if they ever have a roster/class update for Diving Fighters, she should one of the 1st champs to look at. A roster update should improve her in the short term while she waits for a VGU.

RaxistaichoMay 20, 20161 votes

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Irelia, one of the first champs to be the definition of an overloaded kit, is a good. candidate for a full Poppy/Sion/Taric level VGU. I'm sure once they get through Yorick, WW, Eve & Urgot (those in great need of a VGU), Irelia would be high on the priority list for a VGU.

Until then, if they ever have a roster/class update for Diving Fighters, she should one of the 1st champs to look at. A roster update should improve her in the short term while she waits for a VGU.

There's been enough talk that I suspect she's going to get a poppy/sion/taric rework.

They're mentioning giving her new visuals, the only thing Meddler's said that he likes about her is her Q chaining, and they don't feel she fits her persona at all.