Vi's W spell too strong?

UnleashedSilence·Mar 18, 2016·2 votes·796 views

Wish I was able to post the screenshot I took but there is no way to upload unless I have a link to it. Anyways, long story short we started off strong and were winning. However, Vi started to snowball and completely wrecked our team. That is fine I don't mind.

The part that really bothered me though was how she did it. She built all defense! No damage items other than her jungle item and trinity force. Her ending was 23/14/19. Something is seriously wrong if you can stack kills without even needing damage items.

33 Comments

darkdillMar 18, 20167 votes

Warrior/Devourer Enchantment and Trinity Force isn't "all defense". If she were going all defense, she'd have gotten Cinderhulk.

Succubús GFMar 18, 20162 votes

But the point that Vi can go mostly defensive and still do fuck tons of damage, is still there.

Guyy FieriMar 19, 20161 votes

It has been over and over again. Vi is a juggernaut. Much like Darius and Garen, they will do damage but they will also be tanky. They're downsized is that have to be in your face to do anything, putting them in danger.

Succubús GFMar 19, 20161 votes

How are they in danger. If Garen can silence syndra for 3-4 seconds, q her, and ult and she dies without a single q being let off. "Balance" amirite? At least Vi has some counterplay, but juggernaughts in general are really stupid. That is like a tank ad carry. Like wtf Riot.

darkdillMar 19, 20161 votes

You want to know how you beat Vi? Get her to overextend into your team and then collapse on her. You don't win 1v1's with her if you're not a duelist.

Succubús GFMar 19, 20161 votes

I have actually gone 1v1 with her as katarina (in mid lane) I won trades like 5 times lmao

darkdillMar 19, 20161 votes

I'm talking about team fights.

Guyy FieriMar 19, 20161 votes

It's called working as a team and peeling for your carries. If Garen is able to get to your mid laner, then your team has screwed up. If he tries to get your back line, use your CC, lock him down and focus fire him until you kill him.

Succubús GFMar 19, 20161 votes

Uh, what? Garen has a speed buff, He can jump on virtually anyone and that ult range is rather long.

DrNovaMar 19, 20161 votes

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Uh, what? Garen has a speed buff, He can jump on virtually anyone and that ult range is rather long.

Its not THAT fast. Besides Syndra can push him back/stun him. If you failed to do any of those things then you either aren't good with syndra or simply got outplayed. Either way garen deserved to kill you.

Succubús GFMar 19, 20161 votes

consider that he probably isn't that far from you in the first place. He activated his speed buff. Syndra already has low mobility. SHE CAN'T CAST THE KNOCKBACK IF SHE IS SILENCED what part of that are you not getting?

Guyy FieriMar 19, 20161 votes

Why is he so close to you? Abuse the fact that he's melee and you're ranged, otherwise he will always kill you.

DrNovaMar 19, 20161 votes

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consider that he probably isn't that far from you in the first place. He activated his speed buff. Syndra already has low mobility. SHE CAN'T CAST THE KNOCKBACK IF SHE IS SILENCED what part of that are you not getting?

Why isn't he that far from you in the first place? That's just you having bad positioning, which is your fault, not garen being too strong.

And really how long does it take to q-w (I think its w).

The problem here is all on your end man.

Succubús GFMar 19, 20161 votes

My entire argument was the main commentor said " putting them in danger." By getting in your face that puts them in danger? I didn't see how considering garen has a silence. It is her e which doesn't take THAT long. But Garen moves faster than syndra. When the hell did I say "Oh Garen is so broken NERF NERF NERF" I never said that. Just go teemo and shred his shit. You are trying to say it is my fault yet here is the math nonetheless. His base movement speed is 340. Syndra's is 330. Garen's w = ACTIVE: Garen cleanses himself of all Slow icon slows affecting him and gains 30% bonus movement speed for a few seconds. BONUS MOVEMENT SPEED DURATION: 1.5 / 2 / 2.5 / 3 / 3.5 Additionally, his next basic attack within 4.5 seconds deals additional physical damage and Silence icon silences his target for 1.5 seconds. So 30% more gives him about 400 movement speed. So he can sit there and silence you with extra AD % It isn't easy being a low mobility mage in a teamfight against garen. Her q range isn't THAT far out to where she is completely in the back line. In fact, she has to move to front line, one shot the adc or mid laner. Then retreat. Have you ever played Syndra? Given that you don't know her abilities or range, I am assuming not. Garen = Front Line. Syndra = Back line until opportunity arises in which she nukes one person and leaves. Garen can silence/ dish damage to her before she can react. Edit- This math isn't saying he is op, just in a lot of situations he gets an easy job, which isn't the mid laner's fault in the first place. Sorry not everyone can have the range of kogmaw.

Guyy FieriMar 19, 20161 votes

But see if you know how to punish when Garens gets too close then it does put him in danger as you can land some CC and all focus fire him down. Yes if he that close and isn't CCd he isn't in as much danger as I made it sound but that can be said of any champion that isn't a squishy. The key is play to Garen's weakness, which is how succeptble he can be to CC and burst damage, both of which Syndra has if I might say.

Succubús GFMar 19, 20161 votes

Syndra could probably burst Garen down if he wasn't building tank and she was fed. But in any case, a lot of cc would be focused on the carry or enemy jg/mid laner. P.S In soloq you cant call cc shots. So if you get silenced by garen, you are donion rings

Guyy FieriMar 19, 20161 votes

Syndra plus the rest of your team would be able to burst him down though.

And while you can't call Cc shots in solo queue, you can ask your team to help peel Garen off of you when he jumps you. That is doable is it not?

Succubús GFMar 19, 20161 votes

I can ask, does not mean they will do that for me.

Guyy FieriMar 19, 20161 votes

Well if they want to win the game then they will.

DrNovaMar 19, 20161 votes

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My entire argument was the main commentor said " putting them in danger." By getting in your face that puts them in danger? I didn't see how considering garen has a silence. It is her e which doesn't take THAT long. But Garen moves faster than syndra. When the hell did I say "Oh Garen is so broken NERF NERF NERF" I never said that. Just go teemo and shred his shit. You are trying to say it is my fault yet here is the math nonetheless. His base movement speed is 340. Syndra's is 330. Garen's w = ACTIVE: Garen cleanses himself of all Slow icon slows affecting him and gains 30% bonus movement speed for a few seconds. BONUS MOVEMENT SPEED DURATION: 1.5 / 2 / 2.5 / 3 / 3.5 Additionally, his next basic attack within 4.5 seconds deals additional physical damage and Silence icon silences his target for 1.5 seconds. So 30% more gives him about 400 movement speed. So he can sit there and silence you with extra AD % It isn't easy being a low mobility mage in a teamfight against garen. Her q range isn't THAT far out to where she is completely in the back line. In fact, she has to move to front line, one shot the adc or mid laner. Then retreat. Have you ever played Syndra? Given that you don't know her abilities or range, I am assuming not. Garen = Front Line. Syndra = Back line until opportunity arises in which she nukes one person and leaves. Garen can silence/ dish damage to her before she can react. Edit- This math isn't saying he is op, just in a lot of situations he gets an easy job, which isn't the mid laner's fault in the first place. Sorry not everyone can have the range of kogmaw.

It still doesn't add up. First off not every mage is syndra, so saying he is unfair because he may have an advantage over o e champ but not another is silly.

Second syndra still has a stun. Forget the slow, stun him. He can't cleanse that. Suddenly he is stunned behind your front line and gets jacked up.

And still you outrange him. He has a speed boost but you KNOW he has a speed boost. You can still use your range (and stun),to your advantage. He wants to try to chase you a long time then he's wasting his time and ends up deep in your team with no help.

If you can't figure out positioning get zhonya, then all the sudden he can't even hit you at all while still getting stomped because he is deep in your team. Just saying the situation is far from dire or unfair.

Guyy FieriMar 19, 20161 votes

Like I just said. CC him. Garen is literally garbage if he can't get up in your face. Don't let it happen, CC him, kite him and whittle him down. Yes he's tanky. Yes he deals a lot of damage. But his weakness is so obvious and so disgustingly easy to exploit that he should not be the champ you complain about.

Garen job in team fights is literally to run at the ADC and kill him/her. If you let that happen, the rest of the fight is done. If you can keep that from happening, then you win, bottom line.

Guyy FieriMar 19, 20161 votes

If Garen were really as Op as you claim, he would see play in pro play. Does he? No. Because the pros know his weakness and know how to counter him.

CrossetteMar 19, 20161 votes

That's why Vi has a 10% max health shield and insane amounts of CC on top of how tanky she already becomes through Triforce.

Guyy FieriMar 19, 20161 votes

I don't get what you arguing here.

CrossetteMar 19, 20161 votes

She builds tanky, has innate tankiness and a good 3 seconds of mobility/cc spells that easily delete anyone she wants to delete.

And then she breaks armor and has the spellblade proc every X seconds.

Guyy FieriMar 19, 20161 votes

So peel her off of your carries. If you don't have any way to peel her off, then Ya she will win that game. Draft some disengage, find ways to be able to keep your damage dealers alive to be able to return fire.

RyùuzakiMar 19, 20162 votes

lol she aready have warrior and trinity what's "all defense" about that ?

Billy VoHagenMar 18, 20161 votes

That isn't even that good of a score, and can't you post the end game on imgur then put that link?

Fondling GemsMar 18, 20161 votes

This is an issue with league right now. Squishies do way too much dmg so Riot buffed tanky champs to do enough dmg so that squishies don't just outlifesteal/burst them down. The current state of league is just too much dmg all around on every champ. Also Trinity is a pretty powerful dmg item and if she had the warrior enchant that would give any champ enough dmg to be a treat, just not enough to burst. If your team is tanky then Vi is going to be that much stronger since that is what she does best. Honestly Vi's dmg when building full tank is nothing compared to champs like Udyr. Also the way snowballing works with tank stats means that unless your champ doesn't build tank at all, tank is almost always a better thing to build when ahead rather than dmg. This is because you will be doing a lot of dmg due to being a higher level and having a couple dmg items while the tank stats prevent you from being bursted, helps in drawn out fights, and makes it very hard to cc lock them down long enough to kill them. yeah it isn't fun but the issue is less with Vi doing too much dmg and more with every champ doing too much dmg

IsoVhellMar 19, 20161 votes

What is too strong is Nid's spear nerf that shit!

CrossetteMar 19, 20161 votes

Vi is bullshit, yes.

CatastropMar 19, 20161 votes

I don't see why people can't comprehend that generally, all fighters need are 2-3 damage items and they can do their job while going tank the rest of the way.