Why does Cho'Gath have such high Ap ratios?

Clockwork Mouse··1 votes·977 views

I know he might not be meta or good in lane. But holy crap when this thing gets ahead and has an item ahead of you it is just unfair. I seen this guy use 1 Q and my ADC died from full HP. Didn't stand a chance.

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KFCeytron5 votes

It has moderate base damage and a 1.0 AP ratio. Either your ADC was several levels behind after being AFK for a while, or the Q was immediately followed by an R.

Clockwork Mouse3 votes

Moderate? How many champs have an ability that's base damage is over 300? That is a lot of damage for only 65 mana. and it is CC. And a 1.0 ratio on Ap is huge! 300 damage is a fully charged Sion Q. The only ability that I could find that does more base damage that is not an ult is Zoe's Q at max range.

ModThe Djinn4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Clockwork Mouse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5N9eIxiv,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-05-27T05:16:57.605+0000)Moderate? How many champs have an ability that's base damage is over 300?

Not a ton, but most also don't have a delay of that length on their damage either. AP Cho'Gath hurts like hell when he hits you, but his W, E, and R are all very close range, his Q is dodge-able, and he has no mobility.

Clockwork Mouse1 votes

Okay but is that really worth giving him so much damage? There are strait up mages and MP bruiser like Rumble and Singed that have less going for them

Lord Malpercio1 votes

Because he's a JUGGERNAUT.

This is the same class of champions as Darius Garen Aatrox Illaoi Yorick - All of which HURT LIKE HELL when they actually get in range.

Your comparisons are bad too, Singed is a wonky split-pusher with extreme movespeed and a VERY discouraging trail for chasing, and Rumble's damage and cooldowns are ridiculous compared to Cho's - As well as Rumble's engage range, his ult is massive.

KFCeytron1 votes

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Moderate? How many champs have an ability that's base damage is over 300? That is a lot of damage for only 65 mana. and it is CC. And a 1.0 ratio on Ap is huge! 300 damage is a fully charged Sion Q. The only ability that I could find that does more base damage that is not an ult is Zoe's Q at max range.

Why are you asking for abilities with a base damage over 300 when Cho's Q has exactly 300 base damage? It's the same as Ez's W, which costs 50 mana (with a potential refund). And yes, 1.0 AP ratio is pretty significant, which makes sense for a slow spell on a champion who doesn't build a ton of AP anyway.

Once again, Cho will not be one-shotting anyone with Q unless they are several levels behind. It's more likely that the Cho ulted right after the Q hit.

haaaaaaalp1 votes

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Moderate? How many champs have an ability that's base damage is over 300? That is a lot of damage for only 65 mana. and it is CC. And a 1.0 ratio on Ap is huge! 300 damage is a fully charged Sion Q. The only ability that I could find that does more base damage that is not an ult is Zoe's Q at max range.

Off the top of my head, Blomming burst, javelin toss, dark matter, death ray, frost bite, barrel roll, chain last all hit as hard or harder. It is an incredibally slow ability so you need to look at other slow abilities for comparison.

ZephyrDrake2 votes

Sorry but what? Nobody can die to a single Q from chogath if they are at full HP. There is no conceivable state in the game that would allow that to happen.

Clockwork Mouse2 votes

Have you been playing the game at all this season? AP damage is way too high. And I know, it sounds BS, and i tell you, i was screaming how BS it was in all chat too. It is so unfair.

Clockwork Mouse2 votes

Just look at his Q. 300+100% Ap raito. It is probably the strongest single non ult ability in the game.

The entire team2 votes

If you have two walking feet and have the capacity to dodge, those AP ratios mean nothing.

Clockwork Mouse1 votes

You are assuming the chogath is bad or somthing. I can say the same thing for most mages. Just dodge the Lux Q, Morgana Q, Zoe E, Ahri E, Neeko Q, Brand W, Vel'caz Q, etc, etc

Done251 votes

It's there to entice him to build something other than raw tank.

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