Talon a bit Broken with low elo players?

XeroKimo·Aug 5, 2014·4 votes·866 views

So I've been playing some Talon games recently and feels a bit , strong, so basically all I've done was built a Brutilizer, Bf Sword and a long sword or if I can have a BT by level 6-8, I pretty much one combo anyone with their hp around 1000-1300, in one sec just by pressing E > AA > Q > R > W, since most talons are played at mid lane, this would be the average HP too I guess for a mid laner, by the time I get the 1st kill like this I just snowball the whole game after that getting kill after kill every time my Ult is up until I'm 2 levels ahead of their team, even tho he can still be counter by bruiser type champs well like Wukong and Nasus, he just dominates too easily with low Elo players.

8 Comments

NsevAug 5, 20144 votes

Assassins are good at lower levels of play because at lower levels of play people are bad at protecting their carries and a lot of the game is just walking around trying to get kills rather than team-wide movement and taking objectives.

This is always going to be true.

Napalm RabbitAug 6, 20141 votes

Assassins are good at lower levels of play because at lower levels of play people are bad at protecting their carries and a lot of the game is just walking around trying to get kills rather than team-wide movement and taking objectives.

This is always going to be true.

While I agree with you that this is just a problem with all assassins, it is exceptionally true with Talon. He instabursts people faster than any other and every Talon I've seen in low elo just dominates the game and sometimes single handedly carries the game.

Meep ManAug 5, 20143 votes

This is due to the fact that since LeBlanc and Kassadin's silences were removed, making him the one of the few Assassins with a silence left. His has more risk so it's not really bad like the others, but I have a feeling Talon will be seeing some prime time soon. Either that or Zed will just dominate the scene.

YouLostMeAug 5, 20141 votes

Zed does it too. I don't think this is unique to Talon.

XeroKimoAug 6, 20141 votes

I don't find zed at level 6-8 able to kill a full hp champion in a matter of seconds, to me he feels more of needing the enemy champion to be at least half hp in order to go for the kill

CratossssAug 6, 20141 votes

actually a really good zed player can kill anyone

Smol ShinobiAug 6, 20141 votes

It isn't Talon. Coming from a Talon main (I love him so freakin much. Talon <3) Assassins in general are good against low ELO players because assassins are designed to kill carries and snowball. Low ELO players don't tend to be as conscious of protecting their carries, and the tendency of low ELO players to go on tilt helps snowball-centric champions carry their way to victory in that kind of setting. A fed Assassin is a scary thing early and midgame, and unlike high level play, where teamwork is more important than individual 1v1 skill, lategame isn't as big a factor, so the fact that assassins fall off late (Looking at you, Leblegh) doesn't hurt them as much as it should. Also, Talon is about as close to balanced as a champ can get at this point, especially considering he's an assassin, which historically has been one of the hardest champ archetypes for Riot to keep balanced within the meta.

EDIT: I noticed a comment below where you mentioned that Zed needs champs low to kill them; keep in mind that Zed has a manaless poke on a very low cooldown that with shadows can be used from a long range. Talon's in contrast is a bit of a mana hog as abilities go, and it has a high cooldown until CDR comes into play. Less range by a good bit too. In other words, to even be viable with how little poke he has, Talon needs the CC and damage that his kit gives and that Zed's lacks. It's apples and oranges, and claiming that Talon is better or worse than Zed is silly. They're completely different champions with huge gaps in their respective playstyles. Hope my post helped shed some light. If it didn't, or I came off preachy, sorry.

Peace, Flint Ironsides

XeroKimoAug 6, 20141 votes

I'm not really saying that Zed is weaker or anything, I'm just saying that between early game powers that I noticed when I play both of them, the damage they do using their full combo are greatly differed, but late game I feel them as around the same, I when you do general builds for both of them.