Unlock all champions in ARAM

Tylas·May 25, 2017·107 votes·3,643 views

Currently ARAM is very unsatisfying to win most of the time. I believe far too much is decided by strong team compositions. The average player doesn't have a large champion pool leading to repeat champions a lot of the time, which in turn leads to strong/broken team compositions. Nothing is more frustrating then feeling like you can do nothing in a game that is supposed to be random. Many of my friends who play with me, own a small amount of champions which also leads to the inability to trade away champions they do not like. ARAM should be about making the best of a random situation as a team, verses just praying that you land an op in your team comp. And who knows perhaps it will help players discover new champions to play, outside of the random 10 per week.

Provided the new changes are not reverted, this might be a simple and fun solution to a game mode that is currently not very random.

A person who has played far too many arams. Tylas

63 Comments

CalaberaMay 25, 20178 votes

I wish. Everyone in high tier ARAM knows that at this point Sona is just auto win and is bound to be in almost every game.

PaladinNOMay 25, 20172 votes

You're not wrong. 6 defeats in 45 matches, I just found out.

http://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/EUN1/201309331?champion=37&map=12

Some would call that unbalanced.

DanjengMay 26, 20171 votes

Ahah! But there are games that Sona have lost, so it's not always an auto win. Checkmate.

(btw your link doesn't show anything)

PaladinNOMay 26, 20171 votes

(btw your link doesn't show anything)

Should work if you're logged in. Either that, or you got the match history page bug (only a blank page with a background shown).

Anyhoot, made a screenshot: Opening on mobile phones or sub-24" 16:10 horizontal displays warning apply. https://1drv.ms/i/s!AuFMZD__7mN2ghtTJNdQRz6VXv8K

420 gramsMay 25, 20177 votes

I don't ever play aram because of that. They get a good poke team? Gg. And you can tell that some are aram accounts. They're match history is filled with aram and it's all Mundo, varus, syndra, etc.

cocacolalipsMay 25, 20171 votes

I like these posts, you can spot the bad players instantly. They whine a lot and then proceed to list a bunch of very mediocre champions to show how clueless they are simultaneously contradicting whatever they had to say. Neither Mundo, Varus or Syndra are any good in aram... Elo Hell is real, all those aram accounts are holding me back, I should be challenger!111

AwesomeGuyDjMay 25, 20173 votes

Mundo isnt OP META BROKEN ARAM. but he's up there with his regen. Varus falls under with lux and xerath with stupid poke. cant comment on syndra.

cocacolalipsMay 25, 20172 votes

Nop, ever since Riot made some changes earlier this year to Varus Q and even before that, he has been played like a normal ADC and his poke is now really subpar. Both Mundo and Syndra have a negative win rate.

Cosmic WarperMay 25, 20171 votes

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Mundo isnt OP META BROKEN ARAM. but he's up there with his regen. Varus falls under with lux and xerath with stupid poke. cant comment on syndra.

naw varus isn't obnoxious anymore. Even if h builds full lethality his poke is mediocre compared to xerath and lux.

13900 EssenceMay 25, 20171 votes

I don't ever play aram because of that. They get a good poke team? Gg. And you can tell that some are aram accounts. They're match history is filled with aram and it's all Mundo, varus, syndra, etc.

I don't see "I should be challenger!111" anywhere. What he says is true, regardless of the specific champions played. People have aram-only accounts with only champions that are top-tier in aram. If you recall last year, when they gave kayle and riot kayle out for free, a lot of aram-only players got salty at riot because they ruined their champ pool for it.

cocacolalipsMay 25, 20173 votes

bad players always look for excuses and other things to blame instead of focusing on their own play, if it's not aram accounts, then it's trolls or afks, if it's not that, it's riot fault, if they spent as much time actually playing the game and becoming a better player, as they do whining, we wouldn't be having that conversation.

we have been there before back in season 1 and 2 with the daily elo hell posts, once pro players and other streamers debunked the myth casually climbing the ladder, people learned that maybe it was possible after all to become good at the game and you don't see elo hell posts anymore. If I can casually climb the aram ladder owning 100 random champions, there is no reason you can't, it's the same thing. Most of the high mmr aram players are platinum and diamond on SR, or platinum and diamond smurfs, it's not a coincidence.

13900 EssenceMay 26, 20172 votes

Where the fuck did ranked elo come into this. All he said was he doesn't play aram because of the large amount of aram accounts.

Not playing on an aram account while against aram accounts is basically asking to lose. It is essentially playing on summoner's rift and picking zed into kayle.

Yes bad players are going to make excuses for why they are bad, but it is not like the thread is about ranked. It is the polar opposite, the only non-RGM that doesn't have ranked.

They play aram for fun, but it isn't fun playing against teams that have a much higher chance of getting significantly better picks than you.

cocacolalipsMay 26, 20172 votes

If you are good, you re going to win your games and climb, the aram account conspiracy theory is irrelevant.

If you are bad, you should improve and the aram account conspiracy theory will be equally irrelevant.

elo hell = aram account conspiracy theory = get good and you won't be in elo hell anymore.

13900 EssenceMay 26, 20171 votes

What do you mean conspiracy theory, there are people that literally say that they only play aram and only want champs that are good in aram.

When kayle was given out for free, a lot of them complained on that boards post. They asked for it to not be given to their account or for it to be removed once it was.

It is hard to improve in a gamemode with no consistency, you need a mastery of a lot more champions for aram than summoner's rift, seeing as though you can main/secondary roles.

Of course pro players and high level streamers are going to climb, it is their job to do so. You don't watch streamers that are anywhere from bronze-low plat. It is boring as hell. If you paid anyone with a few brain cells to rub together to play this game as their job daily and to get better, they will.

At low levels there are even bots that play aram to level up, but don't tell me that is a conspiracy theory as well.

cocacolalipsMay 26, 20171 votes

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So there really aren't many aram smurf accounts - it's a really, tiny amount last we checked.

Quote from a red

Source: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/MuE2EArF-did-aram-players-actually-ask-for-a-faster-experience?comment=001200000000

13900 EssenceMay 26, 20171 votes

"smurf accounts". Stop right there. There are plenty of people that play only aram, specifically saying that the real game has become too much of a shitshow.

Sure, there are way more regular aram players than aram only accounts, but calling it a conspiracy theory implies that a few people believe that they are real but most likely aren't.

cocacolalipsMay 26, 20171 votes

it's probably along the lines of 1% of the total aram playerbase. You meet an aram only account once in ten games. It really doesn't matter.

It is hard to improve in a gamemode with no consistency, you need a mastery of a lot more champions for aram than summoner's rift, seeing as though you can main/secondary roles.

and what makes you think the game is going to be easier - you are going to climb faster with 150 champions unlocked if you can't even climb with the 50 or so champions you currently have? it's going to accomplish the opposite, the gap between good and bad players is going to be even bigger with good players playing all champions to a comfortable level and bad players sucking dick on all champions and never playing the few champions they are comfortable with.

13900 EssenceMay 26, 20171 votes

Even the best players have comfort picks, and sometimes that is even better than forcing themselves to play the meta, as long as it isn't something troll like Urgot or Aatrox.

There is also the fact that the matchmaking system, regardless if it is ranked or not, attempts to balance the teams around their skill levels. In normals it does this better, because you aren't trying to rank up or anything so it won't be placing you against higher skilled opponents.

Standing on equal ground before champ select, and then seeing that they got completely outdrafted without any say other than rerolls in the matter is pretty irritating.

I agree with a lot of your points, but do understand, aram is meant to be played for fun or to take a break from ranked, and it isn't fun when the odds are stacked heavily against you.

ninjaroxasMay 25, 20175 votes

The thing is i don't want to get a champion i don't own most of the time in aram, even if they are god tier in aram

Getting down voted for haveing an opinion

RookPusherMay 25, 201711 votes

Yeah but in that case you don't want all random, you want a specific selection.

MyrkrvaldyrMay 25, 20177 votes

Which means he shouldn't be playing aram.

RookPusherMay 25, 20173 votes

100%

Professor WardMay 26, 20175 votes

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Yeah but in that case you don't want all random, you want a specific selection.

not true, I want a random from the 70 champs(+free week) I want to play, and not the 60+ I don't, that's still heavily random.

I also don't want to see a 5000% increase in the already insane dodge rate in aram(hence the higher dodge timer)

ninjaroxasMay 26, 20172 votes

No i don't want to play champions like blitz or heim. And if you want true all random that means we can't have rerolls either. Hell if it was really true random everything would be random. Including runes,masteries, and items. You people don't want all random you just don't want aram accounts

RookPusherMay 26, 20172 votes

Anything to win the argument huh? Ok dude, "you're right." I hope you feel better now. Call me when you can have a debate like an adult.

ninjaroxasMay 26, 20172 votes

Looks who's talking. you aren't even saying anything to support yourself. All you've basically said is "im right you're wrong". Including your response to kennylay. Also what are you going to do if you get a champion you don't want to play but no one will trade with you

RookPusherMay 26, 20172 votes

No, you're moving the goal posts to win an argument. The game is called "All random, all mid"

The random refers to champ select. And reroll is still random. That you get another choice doesn't mean it's not random. Words have meaning, and I'm not about to tear the fabric of the English language because you don't know how to play Sejuani.

ninjaroxasMay 26, 20172 votes

It's still all random with a limited pool because it's all random with the champions i own plus free week, no one ever said the all means every champion. Also it doesn't really matter but sejuani is one of my best champions combined with the fact i know how to play every champion makes your example pointless.

RookPusherMay 26, 20171 votes

If you know how to play all of the champions, then what's the problem?

Selecting a sub-set of "all" is an advantage. You're trying to cheat.

ninjaroxasMay 26, 20172 votes

I just don't like playing some champions. Blitz being the worse case who i refuse to ever play.

Just so you know i don't have an aram account and i will after playing league long enough own pretty much every champ. The pool of champions i dont want to play is pretty small, so I'd still play aram, but i just don't like the fact I'd get champions i don't like more often

Supreme Senpai69May 26, 20172 votes

Forums aren't used for arguments they're for discussions. Downvotes are only meant to be used to push the spam and unrelated content down to the bottom so everyone has more room to discuss. "Winning" an internet "argument" is just such a cringey phrase to me. What's he winning?

HarIeMay 26, 20173 votes

Although if all champions are unlocked it's possible to trade with anyone on your team.

ninjaroxasMay 26, 20173 votes

Ya that would be a case a lot of the time but its gonna suck when no one else wants them either

FilDaFunkMay 25, 20175 votes

If Rito is unwilling to do that, unlock (at least) Aatrox Evelynn Mordekaiser Nunu Nocturne Udyr Yorick

For everyone. Would make people think twice about only owning a few champs.

rework trundleMay 25, 20171 votes

{quoted}

If Rito is unwilling to do that, unlock (at least)

For everyone. Would make people think twice about only owning a few champs.

Nunu one shot flashbacks

TheIronRevenantMay 25, 20171 votes

Jokes on them

Lintu PuckMay 25, 20175 votes

yet again another player that doesn't seem to understand "random"

- Random isn't always "fair" or "balanced" so there will be times matches are lopsided.
- The "All" in "All Random All Mid" has never meant "All Champions" and instead has always meant "All Players".
- Given that not everyone has big champ pools and every has access to whatever is in the weekly rotation, of course you are going to see the same champions often, but that in no way means it isn't random.

AwesomeGuyDjMay 25, 20174 votes

The point is the AMOUNT of random can be changed, by having aram accounts that only have the most op champions plus weekly rotation on it.

Lintu PuckMay 25, 20173 votes

and yet it doesn't matter if your dice is 6-sided or if you roll a D-20, it is still random, which is my point against these "it's not true random unless all champs are available" arguments I see here.

AwesomeGuyDjMay 25, 20172 votes

Lemme rephrase. The probability of getting a better champion increases with a special account that has limited champions. You have a higher chance of getting 3 when its from 1-6 then from 1-100.

Lintu PuckMay 25, 20172 votes

still random

SaiannaMay 26, 20171 votes

your brain is random xD

So much laugh, someone call the doctor! I'm dying for laughter! Hahaha!

ZtokaMay 25, 20174 votes

Why is no one concerned that you can't earn key frags on champs you don't own? If they implement all champs being unlocked before fixing this so called "bug" gets fixed, things will be bad. You will get a LOT more dodging than there already are w/ aram. I dodge a majority of my aram games because I don't own said champion, thus can't own key frags. Chests, idc and understand you don't earn them on un-owned champs. They key frag thing was supposed to a bug that was getting fixed. Looking more like they didn't want you to get keys on un-owned champs.

Professor WardMay 26, 20174 votes

As a player of around 5k aram games what I have seen most from this is a flood of free week champs in aram games.

DokkaebiMay 25, 20173 votes

The thing is...

I want key fragments, chests and mastery points.

FilDaFunkMay 25, 20172 votes

How about all the champs people owned were pooled?

PaladinNOMay 25, 20172 votes

Won't change a thing. I already caught them all.

6588 ARAM matches and counting.

MyrkrvaldyrMay 25, 20173 votes

{quoted}

Won't change a thing. I already got them all.

A phrase Ash Ketchum will never get to say.

PaladinNOMay 26, 20172 votes

I stand...sorry, sit, corrected.

Rephrased for Pokemon.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

NeameanMay 26, 20172 votes

> So there really aren't many aram smurf accounts - it's a really, tiny amount last we checked. While they certainly do exist, the fact you see those champions often is more due to a number of other factors.

Mostly importantly -All those champions are incredibly high ownership and popularity, while many of the traditionally bad ARAM champions are very low ownership and popularity. This means you'll heavily skew naturally towards seeing those champions. Way more people own Lux and Sona than Trundle and Aatrox. -Rerolls (and Teammates rerolling for others unlucky picks) exacerbate the above metrics - you are less likely to get poor ARAM champs vs strong ARAM champs and folks reroll them on top of that when they get them. -I'm sure there is a bit of Confirmation Bias as well, but the above two factors are probably more important

-FeralPony

To add to what he say I think we would always see OP team comp because nobody dodge when they have an OP team comp. A lot of people dodge when they think their team comp is trash not just because they got someone they don't know.