Waiting for the first response "Well you simply dont know how to counterplay. Look at her winrate its very bad"
As if we are all Diamond ranked players.
She is oppressive and ruins the fun of normal games. Period.
The illaoi counter is "Dont be melee". Its lame.
TruckFump20163 votesThis^^^^ What I knew was coming...
See this elitist crap from holier than thou players calling me bad. Exactly what I knew would happen.
In blind pick you can't "repick". There are some champions she just wrecks with 0 counterplay.
And she makes games not fun. Period.
FioraWillCarry2 votesBuy her, play her, proceed to cry when you go 1-10 in lane, come back and tell us all about how she is OP.
Crossette1 votesI played her once when she was free.
Destroyed a Darius in lane and proceeded to get a 2v4 quadra.
FioraWillCarry1 votesI played her once when she was free.
Destroyed a Darius in lane and proceeded to get a 2v4 quadra.
My 3rd game with her I got two quadras and carried hard. The game right after, I went something like 2-7 vs a Jayce. Haven't been able to get fed with her since. Guess everyone needed a couple weeks to figure her out.
Crossette1 votesSure she has her counters, but she wins a vast majority of her matchups.
Like Renekton, who Riot is too embarrassed to discuss.
Crossette2 votesAgreeing with the post, but just because her damage means that if you fuck up dodging one thing of 100 you'll still lose trades.
TruckFump20163 votesYea. She hits you with ONE thing you instantly lose a trade.
Basically you have to play perfect against her. And she can make mistakes all day long.
And she will win if you slip up once.
ValyrianBlade3 votesBasically the same thing applies to many other champions.
fail to dodge one grab and you're dead, yet if you dodge it you can just get a little favorable trade
Don't dodge his tornado as a mage and you're dead, yet if you dodge it he just windwalls and you do nothing
fail to dodge a hook and you're dead
fail to dodge a Q and you're likely dead
Fail to dodge a Q and you're likely dead
etc...
Honestly, Illaoi feels a lot EASIER to play against than a lot of other champions out there. I'd prefer to go up against an Illaoi over a Fiora or Renekton in top lane any day. And I'm only Gold...
Crossette1 votesYet Riot is still embarrassed about Renekton's current state.
And we all know Fiora is still stupid.
Plus, the boards are like this about Blitz and the rest of them every day. Those are valid complaints, but meh.
ValyrianBlade1 votesHaha yes, fair enough. All of these champions have real problems from that perspective.
So the question is - does Riot need to rework about 25% of their champion roster (others not above included obviously), or do players need to learn to play against these type of champions?
I think it should be a combination of both, i.e. largely they just need to really increase the cooldown of these abilities to give enemies real windows of opportunities to take advantage when they miss. There's nothing wrong with giving an ability like Thresh' hook a 28 second cooldown at rank 1 (and honestly I'd want to see his lantern's cooldown increased too).
Or for thresh specifically, it'd be really cool that if he misses his hook entirely he loses it and his auto attacks become melee (he keeps it if he hooks a minion though). That'd be interesting counterplay.
For blitz a missed Q should result in him standing still for a full second while he retracts his arm. Yasuo's cooldowns are just too low. Lee Sin I honestly think is fine overall. Increase the cooldown on Morg's Q, or decrease it's hitbox.
I'd be fine giving these champions numeric buffs to make up for these nerfs if needed, but I think this would give them better counterplay.
Illaoi though, still haven't had a problem with her and she's new. Probably just needs some getting used to.
Crossette1 votesLee Sin I honestly think is fine overall.
So I decided to get Lee to at least level 4 before Jhin comes out, and he is NOT fine.
First of all, his ult needs heavy tuning. Number-wise and utility-wise.
Second, he needs to be brought to 3 fully useful abilities instead of 6 fully useful ones.
Third, his numbers are WAY too high for someone with his kind of mobility. Assassin level, even. I seem to have an easy time roaming bot lane when I hit level 6 and killing an ADC in 4 hits because I landed my ult.
But hey, that's an opinion. I like your proposals as well, they're fair compared to what the boards usually thinks.
ValyrianBlade1 votesI'd be all for numeric nerfs to Lee.
I don't find his kit too be too overbearing. It's strong, but also has a high skill cap.
Numeric nerfs though? For sure.
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votesShe has 0 cc and not op.Keyword:Kite or Tryn,Fiora,Jax.Very many champions counter her.Also 0 benefit for her team.
Little Stick Man1 votesyou don't have to be diamond to know shes not op, stop crying
ofart1 votesHer winrate isn't just bad in Diamond though. She is high damage but it's all she has and it's not that hard to avoid. If you don't understand what to do, play her yourself. Most players will show you.