SightStone Changes Should Be Reverted

Leona is SO HOT·Jul 14, 2019·15 votes·4,483 views

as the title says , ever since the changes to SightStone i'v been feeling uncomfortable when playing support due to 2 reasons

the removal of , especially for me because that item was my bread and butter
losing lane , playing vs an oppressive bot combo and sometimes even roaming will delay finishing the gold quest which will prevent me from providing my team with enough vision since i will be limited to control wards and trinkets , this will be even worse for those melee supports since u have to farm minions with and that will be really hard if the enemy has advantage . eventually u wont be able to keep up with enemy support when it comes to vision control

i understand the reason why riot did this which was because of proplay where there was 2 or even 3 sightstone holders in the same team resulting in almost removing the fog of war making the map lighting up like a christmas tree , but there are other ways to fix this

my solution

just like how you cant buy without , players wont be able to buy SightStone without having
upgrading into should be OPTIONAL not forced like the way it is now
bringing back , yes you wont be getting a "free item slot" and a free SightStone but i believe this will be worth it
revert the item quest changes back to where it used to be before SightStone changes

this my opinion on how to fix the current problem it might not be perfect but am trying and open to all opinions on the matter support itemization and diversity always bothered me and i really hope riot will start working on it and add some new stuff which allows flexibility in item builds and build paths .

19 Comments

Arcade LuluJul 14, 20196 votes

Why would they bring item 3312 back when we have item 3905 or item 3306 when we have item 2065 even item 3309 is kinda replaced by item 3190 (Active ability wise)

And you aren't forced to upgrade item 3301 item 3303 item 3302 to item 3069 item 3401 item 3092 . You just need to upgrade them to item 3096 item 3098 item 3097 to get the wards

Leona is SO HOTJul 14, 20192 votes

since when item 3309 was replaced by item 3190 ? those 2 items always existed and each had its own use and characteristics riot just removed it and that was it , you would build anyway item 3905 so far is good and can be picked by other ap roles which is good but unfortunately unlike item 3312 it isnt picked up alot the number of times i'v seen someone build this year can be counted on my both hands , item 2065 on the other hand is ap item which means none ap supports cant pick it up , although item 3306 had its flaws with just raw armor , unlike ap you can actually use that extra armor riot can keep both items at the same time they dont need to remove one of them , and just leave it to players to pick one of them

also i am aware that i can get the wards from item 3097 item 3096 item 3098 instead of fully upgrading it , but you missed the point , i meant that there is only path and that path is getting the wards item unlike back in the day were you could either get item 3309 or item 3401

DuskDaUmbreonJul 14, 20195 votes

Sightstone was functionally non-optional for supports, though. You could technically pass it up, and that'd probably be the best idea in Bronze and below, but generally if you did outside of very low tier you were throwing.

Your options were the combat-useful support items with a sightstone, or the vision-granting support items. Basically all the time the combat-useful ones were better, so you just had a slot taken up by a 1600g item that only granted health and item CDR - Not even normal CDR with it. 500 HP and 20% item CDR, and that was basically non-optional in every game.

Honestly, I prefer to have the sightstone support items. Having a slot taken up by an item that wasn't that great but I didn't have a choice about buying anyways felt...shitty. And with boots and a dedicated control ward slot, that left just two normal item slots. You'd get to full build with less than 12k gold, but it'd feel like shit since half your inventory was non-optional items that didn't really feel decent to buy.

Imagine you had to sit on a item 3067 for the entire game, every game, and you had no choice in the matter otherwise you were practically inting because it was the best choice.

That's why Riot removed it. You absolutely 100% of the time needed it outside of low bronze, but it felt like absolute shit to have to get and it massively limited itemization.

And, since it was removed, the combat-based support items also had to go, since they'd have to be buffed significantly to ever be worth the sightstone ones after sightstone was removed.

Dorans PantsJul 14, 20192 votes

before the changes: item 3312 + item 3649 --> two items, active + warding after the changes: item 3098 + item 3905 --> two items, active + warding

how is that more slot effecient? The only difference is that your support items is now the item you never upgrade instead of SS and that you have to complete a separate item to get the active and not the wards. All in all, it´s even 50g more expensive than before.

I think you are overestimating the value of slot efficiency for supports and underestimating the value of item cdr. You rarely accumulate enough gold to get full build despite support items being cheap as dirt, but the buildpaths are also so unproblematic that working with one less slot wasn´t even an issue.

And since your sweeper is affected by item-cdr you had a really strong incentive to upgrade your SS. The problem was more, especially for enchanters, that items like redemption and locket were so busted that your whole gameplan revolved around who could rush those items first.

DuskDaUmbreonJul 14, 20192 votes

Because, as a support, you don't need item 3905 . You're totally free to pass it up and go with a better item for the situation. Redemption might be better for this match.

Old system, though...Yeah, you were stuck with support item+sightstone all the time.

Leona is SO HOTJul 14, 20191 votes

but you still have the problem of falling off when it comes to providing vision if one the situations i said happened . i understand that sightstone's stats werent that useful , but you could fix it by adding more stats/passives to it to make it gold efficient you can make many variants of sightstone where there is combat or utility focused sightstones

DuskDaUmbreonJul 14, 20191 votes

The thing is that you can't add more stuff to sightstone. The wards on it alone were strong as fuck. You'd have to make it more expensive, and nobody wants to shell out more gold for an item they only really want for warding anyways.q

And if we have multiple variants...Then we're just back to where we are now, except, again, you're forced into the same two items every game. There are times I definitely would have preferred other support items than item 3306 as Soraka, but I didn't have a choice but to buy it and ruby sightstone because there was no real alternative, because lmfao if you ran the sightstone gold items.

CaptainAntiHerozJul 14, 20192 votes

yup yup yup item 1028 -> item 3340 gimme gimme

True GarenJul 14, 20192 votes

Currently, only the full upgrade on the Relic Shield item is "forced". Commonly, Spellthief and Coin are taken only to T2, and then upgraded at leisure, if at all.

Remnant of the Aspect should be rushed, though.

2 Weezy BabyJul 14, 20191 votes

these suggestions are very bad. the support items and sightstone now is the best version of them Riot has ever implemented.

Jerry SeinfeIdJul 14, 20191 votes

as much as i'd like to see the old quests come back, the shield one spcifically, i'd rather not be forced to buy the dang sightstone. i pretty much get it for free now, genuinly don't see why y'all cry about this. I mean item 3309 was a neat item but i genuinly didn't build it on anyone but nautilus after the sightstone support item fusion items released. and so did most people.

XavanicJul 14, 20191 votes

We should at least implement some new warding items that laners can use, as warding has been dumbed down to....a trinket...when good warding can make/break a game

The Yetii RiderJul 14, 20191 votes

No, this is the way that counterplay works. You can't suppress a support's gold income by denying them farm and you can't pressure them out of XP because their abilities are largely level-independent. Once a support hits 6, they're about as strong as they would be at level 10. So the only other counterplay is to deny the enemy team vision. This is a reward the enemy team gets for playing well against you.

DewritoesJul 14, 20191 votes

I thought they changed sightstone to have a more interactive playstyle as supp rather than "give 800-ish gold and an item slot for wards" to get more people to play support? You technically still give up an item slot for this but at least its not just HP you're getting.

SukishooJul 14, 20191 votes

FoTM was the least used of the Actives, it's why they didn't even bother to make a replacement. So why would they bring it back?

Garen NightmareAug 3, 20193 votes

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FoTM was the least used of the Actives, it's why they didn't even bother to make a replacement. So why would they bring it back?

This is not true. It was a big part of the reason for the changes. The synergy of FFW, Overheal, Bloodlines, Revitalize with Shield Battery and FoTM made the double Relic Shield lane even stronger than it had been previously (as during Ardent Censor meta). This led to further nerfs on the passive, and was probably a consideration behind the change to all of the gold-line items (merging them to a cheap Sightstone half-item).

Additionally, with the removal of FoTM, one of the more popular activators of Glacial Augment was eliminated, and no item has replaced it since.

SukishooAug 3, 20191 votes

No, it was very true, Riot said so themselves that it was the least used of the Actives. There's even the fact that the Frost Queen and Ascension's had their items used in top, mid and jungle showed that they were much more useful overall too. So that's why the original items that had those actives returned after their removal.

Plus item 3190 serves the same purpose as an item.

preternaturalAug 3, 20191 votes

just revert the starting item cost nerfs. i can't get refillable at lvl 1 as support and yet there's all these mages in the damn lane.

Baby GhoulAug 4, 20191 votes

I can't stand the new gold quests on the support items, especially item 3312 . It makes the lane feel even more one-sided if you're getting bullied out of lane due to jungler pressure.

And I just hate it in general because ADCs rarely use their trinket, and if they do, they don't put it in the right place. I miss going back and picking up a Sightstone. Now it feels like junglers aren't even punished in the slightest for failed ganks, which makes the vision situation bot lane feel even more dangerous.

Control wards are nice, but again, not an option when you're being pressured in lane because they'll be quickly destroyed.