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SightStone Changes Should Be Reverted

Leona is SO HOT·7/14/2019, 9:46:51 AM·15 votes·4,483 views

as the title says , ever since the changes to SightStone i'v been feeling uncomfortable when playing support due to 2 reasons

  • the removal of item 3309 item 3306 item 3312 , especially item 3309 for me because that item was my bread and butter

  • losing lane , playing vs an oppressive bot combo and sometimes even roaming will delay finishing the gold quest which will prevent me from providing my team with enough vision since i will be limited to control wards and trinkets , this will be even worse for those melee supports since u have to farm minions withitem 3307 and that will be really hard if the enemy has advantage . eventually u wont be able to keep up with enemy support when it comes to vision control

i understand the reason why riot did this which was because of proplay where there was 2 or even 3 sightstone holders in the same team resulting in almost removing the fog of war making the map lighting up like a christmas tree , but there are other ways to fix this

my solution

  • just like how you cant buy item 3706 without summoner 11 , players wont be able to buy SightStone without having item 3301 item 3307 item 3303
  • upgrading item 3301 item 3307 item 3303 into item 3069 item 3401 item 3092 should be OPTIONAL not forced like the way it is now
  • bringing item 3309 item 3306 item 3312 back , yes you wont be getting a "free item slot" and a free SightStone but i believe this will be worth it
  • revert the item quest changes back to where it used to be before SightStone changes

this my opinion on how to fix the current problem it might not be perfect but am trying and open to all opinions on the matter support itemization and diversity always bothered me and i really hope riot will start working on it and add some new stuff which allows flexibility in item builds and build paths .

19 Comments

Arcade Lulu7/14/2019, 11:42:49 AM6 votes

Why would they bring item 3312 back when we have item 3905 or item 3306 when we have item 2065 even item 3309 is kinda replaced by item 3190 (Active ability wise)

And you aren't forced to upgrade item 3301 item 3303 item 3302 to item 3069 item 3401 item 3092 . You just need to upgrade them to item 3096 item 3098 item 3097 to get the wards

DuskDaUmbreon7/14/2019, 10:02:36 AM5 votes

Sightstone was functionally non-optional for supports, though. You could technically pass it up, and that'd probably be the best idea in Bronze and below, but generally if you did outside of very low tier you were throwing.

Your options were the combat-useful support items with a sightstone, or the vision-granting support items. Basically all the time the combat-useful ones were better, so you just had a slot taken up by a 1600g item that only granted health and item CDR - Not even normal CDR with it. 500 HP and 20% item CDR, and that was basically non-optional in every game.

Honestly, I prefer to have the sightstone support items. Having a slot taken up by an item that wasn't that great but I didn't have a choice about buying anyways felt...shitty. And with boots and a dedicated control ward slot, that left just two normal item slots. You'd get to full build with less than 12k gold, but it'd feel like shit since half your inventory was non-optional items that didn't really feel decent to buy.

Imagine you had to sit on a item 3067 for the entire game, every game, and you had no choice in the matter otherwise you were practically inting because it was the best choice.

That's why Riot removed it. You absolutely 100% of the time needed it outside of low bronze, but it felt like absolute shit to have to get and it massively limited itemization.

And, since it was removed, the combat-based support items also had to go, since they'd have to be buffed significantly to ever be worth the sightstone ones after sightstone was removed.

True Garen7/14/2019, 5:53:16 PM2 votes

Currently, only the full upgrade on the Relic Shield item is "forced". Commonly, Spellthief and Coin are taken only to T2, and then upgraded at leisure, if at all.

Remnant of the Aspect should be rushed, though.

CaptainAntiHeroz7/14/2019, 12:23:27 PM2 votes

yup yup yup item 1028 ->item 3340 gimme gimme

The Yetii Rider7/14/2019, 2:02:07 PM1 votes

No, this is the way that counterplay works. You can't suppress a support's gold income by denying them farm and you can't pressure them out of XP because their abilities are largely level-independent. Once a support hits 6, they're about as strong as they would be at level 10. So the only other counterplay is to deny the enemy team vision. This is a reward the enemy team gets for playing well against you.

Dewritoes7/14/2019, 5:22:47 PM1 votes

I thought they changed sightstone to have a more interactive playstyle as supp rather than "give 800-ish gold and an item slot for wards" to get more people to play support? You technically still give up an item slot for this but at least its not just HP you're getting.

Sukishoo7/14/2019, 5:58:35 PM1 votes

FoTM was the least used of the Actives, it's why they didn't even bother to make a replacement. So why would they bring it back?

preternatural8/3/2019, 10:15:43 PM1 votes

just revert the starting item cost nerfs. i can't get refillable at lvl 1 as support and yet there's all these mages in the damn lane.

Baby Ghoul8/4/2019, 12:05:53 AM1 votes

I can't stand the new gold quests on the support items, especially item 3312 . It makes the lane feel even more one-sided if you're getting bullied out of lane due to jungler pressure.

And I just hate it in general because ADCs rarely use their trinket, and if they do, they don't put it in the right place. I miss going back and picking up a Sightstone. Now it feels like junglers aren't even punished in the slightest for failed ganks, which makes the vision situation bot lane feel even more dangerous.

Control wards are nice, but again, not an option when you're being pressured in lane because they'll be quickly destroyed.

2 Weezy Baby7/14/2019, 12:53:51 PM1 votes

these suggestions are very bad. the support items and sightstone now is the best version of them Riot has ever implemented.

Jerry SeinfeId7/14/2019, 1:45:02 PM1 votes

as much as i'd like to see the old quests come back, the shield one spcifically, i'd rather not be forced to buy the dang sightstone. i pretty much get it for free now, genuinly don't see why y'all cry about this. I mean item 3309 was a neat item but i genuinly didn't build it on anyone but nautilus after the sightstone support item fusion items released. and so did most people.

Xavanic7/14/2019, 1:53:58 PM1 votes

We should at least implement some new warding items that laners can use, as warding has been dumbed down to....a trinket...when good warding can make/break a game