What I don't get, why is this happening? From my games with him I have concluded he is very strong, and yet people seem to mess him up really hard. A problem I have noticed is that people never collaborate with you when you have ult up, but that's only one problem.
ModWulf Helhammer21 votesMuch higher skill floor. He's much easier to mess up with new, particularly with the new ult. If my plays.tv hadn't decided to mess up recording that game, I could show you the Ryze jungle I played against, who really didn't know how to use his ult well.
Marshbouy4 votesnononono, according to the people who have faced a strong ryze he is "broken op shit fuck too ez please nerf"
Aeszarck2 votesMuch higher skill floor. He's much easier to mess up with new, particularly with the new ult. If my plays.tv hadn't decided to mess up recording that game, I could show you the Ryze jungle I played against, who really didn't know how to use his ult well.
I think is mechanical skill floor actually went lower, but his overall skill ceiling went up. On the old Ryze, messing up a combo (wrong button) meant you were done. Your combo was over. With the new Ryze, you can press a wrong button and get away with it; you'll just do another combo. Using the optimal combo is the difficult part, since there is so much Ryze can do. You can either do your two rune combo or your damage combo, and you can lead with either your Flux or your Rune Prison in each combo depending on what you want to do. Old Ryze didn't have that flexibility. He could switch up the order of his Spell Flux and his Rune Prison in his combo, but it ultimately had little effect on the outcome. New Ryze is balanced around being able to choose the right combos.
Sire Hippington2 votesi don't see how his mechanical skillfloor went lower. He still has alot combocasteng that requires fast fingers for ideal results. His max damage combo still consists of 7 spell casts chained to one fluid combo, the save combot has 5-6 spellcasts.(cdr is required for those unlik on old ryze though)
Jungle Lux God2 votesHis max damage combo still consisted of 7 spell casts, but it didn't require a specific time frame to do it. His new combo is easier because it doesn't require that you do your entire combo in 5 seconds and to start at 3 stacks of your passive. In addition, there are a lot of less technically combos that are also really strong in their own right that Ryze players can use before they get the full damage combo down, which you didn't have with the old Ryze.
The real hard part is being able to pull off the right combo for the current situation. Ryze has a lot of combos right now, and being able to use the right one is core to his gameplay.
Nyxceris1 votesAs a scrub I agree new Ryze has gotten mechanically easier to use and abuse
Jungle Lux God1 votesRyze's skill floor went a lot lower. You had one combo, and had to execute that one combo to perfection in order to actually do anything with old Ryze, while with new Ryze the combos are a lot easier to perform due to not having a specific window to do it, giving players a lot larger understanding of what combos you can do, and being able to switch combos when you end up messing one combo up.
From my experience playing both old Ryze and new Ryze, that was basically the case. I couldn't do Ryze's old combo to save my life after trying to learn him for 3-4 games, but I can do new Ryze's combos pretty easily after 1-2 games.
The only thing that's really much harder about new Ryze is his ultimate, which is really hard to use well. I don't think I ever used it for a good engage at all until I had around 3-4 games on him, and literally only used it to escape ganks until I found some really good opportunities to use it in the most recent games I had on him. It takes a master to use it to its full potential, but you don't need to be a master to use it.
Sire Hippington4 votesFrom my experience, it's two things: They don't respect his weaknesses, meaning most ryzes i've seen tend to overextend alot or try to flank 1vs3 or do other stupid things thinking they are invulnerable or something, and bad uses of the ult that bait teamates into certain doom. I've seen many ryzes use their ult to get behind the enemie team, just to then sit ontop of a orianna ball or similar and get comboed.
But i agree, ryze certainly is very strong if used correctly and the winrate is very misleading.
SlashStriker4 votes1 knock up from Vel Koz and Ryze is done
Wheatloaf5 votesVel'Koz has always dunked on Ryze. It's a matter of range differences and Vel's damage spiking way sooner.
Sire Hippington2 votestrue, though old ryze had the rliable ms boost of his ult allowing him to side step it more easily and then close in on vel. Matchup was still in favour of vel, but that's still one of the things 'old' ryze had over the new one. A reliable speed boost goes a long way for shortranged champs.
RavenMagus1 votes1 knock up from Vel Koz and
Ryzeany champ it hits is done
Fixed that for ya
SlashStriker1 votesFixed that for ya
not really i faced Velkoz as Yi many times ain't big problem
RavenMagus1 votesI'm actually very surprised if you got knocked up by Velkoz's circle and didn't get instantly deleted.
Not that I think Velkoz in general is hard for Yi - you can dodge his knockup with alpha and then kill him - but if you do get hit by it, you're toast. That guy has infinite base damage.
QuantumPanther2 votesI think it's mostly because people aren't sure how Ryze works now. He used to be easy to pick up and you didn't always really have a skill order. Now Ryze is all about combo power and situationally using his stacks at certain times. I think it's really fucking with the playstyle of a lot of people who played pre-rework Ryze
Pale Pirate2 votesWasn't pre-rework ryze, something like the hardest champion to pick up? Even at the world championship only Faker had realized he was broken and worth learning.
Ariel the Cruel1 votesI don't watch LCS, and thus have no insight into the pros. Previous Ryze (I'm reluctant to say "old" with his 5 reworks) suffered the Lee Sin Syndrome: Had meta shaping strength when used perfectly, was free gold under any other circumstance. But he didn't have nearly the amount of utility which is why he often wasn't considered worth the investment. There are plenty of champions that could out-put almost as much damage for a mere fraction of the risk and difficulty.
rtbf221479701 votesNah the issue is everyone maxed q first cuz muh dmg then faker realized w max was perma lock and broke him for everyone else lol
bro0rtega2 votesI feel this is a very needed discussion, here's my upvote.[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Firefox5092 votesIt saddens me that he kept his lowest winrate status even through his rework.
I think the current worst problem for him his he lost his AoE in teamfights. Old ryze you press R and your skills are now AoE. Now if you want to hit people with AoE it requires quite a bit of time to set up. In lane I can manage this fine because im the only one there so my teammates dont kill the minion i have my E on to spread it. In teamfights of you want to aoe you have to e someone and then wait for e's cooldown again entirely and apply it on the same person to spread to get an aoe nuke. I think I've only managed to get it off once and it hurt but you're sitting there for over a second waiting for your e so you can aoe. If you q them before you spread it, it consumes the flux and you never get any aoe at all.
You can single target combo like a monster but i really feel like ryze can't fight multiple people like most mages can. Everything he has is single target and any aoe takes over a second to set up which is way too long during a teamfight of doing nothing trying to hit aoe which is where i feel he falls off most. He plays more like a 1v1 lane bully and falls off late due to his kit but has late game scaling pretty well. At least this is my expierence of playing a couple games mid with him, he's not a teamfighter at all and would be better of split pushing which feels weird as a mage.
rtbf221479701 votesIf there's multiple people you lead with q on one then proc e on the other then dumpster the first guy with a qeq so when e is back up you hit them both with it and can q the second guy for the double kill. A lot of ppl don't realize but Vs 2 ppl you have a ton more options cuz you can weave q and aa on the second target while proccing the double rune buffs on the first one.
Leetri2 votesYet another thing to add to the list of "Things the community was massively wrong about". The way some people talked about his ult you could think it's an instant-blow-up-the-enemy-nexus button.
Pale Pirate2 votesImpression was back then that people would collaborate with his ult. I have had an Nunu doing massive ults with me in one game but that's it. When Ryze gets competetive , however, I expect a lot of broken stuff happening.
Darkslayer851 votesYeah, I predicted the Ryze Nunu ult thing a while back.
rtbf221479701 votesI just hate the long cast time and that they can see where I'm tping. Cast time should be a function of distance you wanna go.
Quepha2 votesHe's basically a new champ and a very complex one at that. It's taking people time to learn how to play and build him now.
I have a feeling that the major thing is learning how to use his ult, it's very strange and has a ton of power, but also a ton of possibility to screw it up.
NightmareAmazoX1 votesAgreed, Back when zed was released everyone was like ''RIOT WTF IS THIS USELESS CHAMPION NOT COOL'' Same thing going on right now kind of.
VvVVvV2 votesThat is because Ryze is Riots DQ poster boy.
I truly believe they gave him that ultimate strictly to support DQ play with premades in voice chat. Outside of voice chat at best you will pull something off with the team by luck. Or you will just use his ult either to cut someone off solo or to escape.
I main support...and after playing him i feel like he can be a nasty support. The ult does no damage which is why i believe his other abilities have very low cd. He has a root and a slow.
morris11 votesTbh in solo environment his ult is only good for split pushing in top lane (bonus points if you have Zhonya's, 100% guaranteed escape).
Bârd2 votesHe actually requires some level of thought to play now, so it makes sense that he would have a low winrate on release.
He sure as hell doesn't need any buffs (both his damage and utility are insane).
Poske1 votesOh hi computo Long time no see
Yeah I also dont understand why his winrate is so low. He seems broken as fk. Really dont want riot to buff him
Pale Pirate1 votesHey... Have we spoken at threads about leblanc? I think they will be very hesitant touching ryze, as the exact same thing was happening pre-rework. But the rework has given much much more flexibility to ryze, so they can work on him easily.
Poske1 votesWe probably did since I main Le blanc so xd
Pale Pirate1 votesSo where did you remember me from?
Poske1 votesGeneral Discussion
Pale Pirate1 votesOh yes. Before the forum rework.
The Yetii Rider1 votesNew Ryze is super annoying to play. Plus, when I use my Q on a minion that's affected by E sometimes it passes the damage and Flux onto outer minions even though it's only supposed to do that if you E onto E...it's really confusing how the Flux mechanic actually works, but it definitely doesn't work the way it says it does on the tooltip.
Pale Pirate1 votesE --> E : Flux spreads normally. Killing minion with E : Flux spreads normally. E --> Killing the minion with Q W or E: Flux spreads normally.
E --> Minion dies from Ryze's autoattacks or outside sources: Flux doesn't spread.
You're welcome. It's like Malzahar's poison, except you need to kill it with your spells.
The Yetii Rider1 votesThat's so...weird. Why did they make his wave clearing needlessly complicated? Wave clearing is something you're supposed to be able to do under pressure.
LA Losty1 votesI too believe he is very strong having played against him a few times. I just think he is difficult and it takes a while before people figure out how to play him, it was sort of the same with Taliyah.
Pale Pirate1 votesThen after people have finally learned to play with him, riot will announce they are changing the way a core spell of his works, and we will have to learn everything over again! :P
Aatrox Mid 1v51 votesso what is he has a low win rate right now? remember when Jhin was first released? just look at him now
The Deckowner1 voteschampions who are new usually have super low win rates, it is normal.
SwiftKitten881 votesactually 
top and mid are lower. if you even consider those her roles anymore
NightmareAmazoX1 votesnot...Ryze lowest win rate 36% then azir 46% Whom riot gypsy wants him to have a mini rework. -.-''
LuxannaVeritas1 votesThere are a bunch of different reasons.
One of those reasons is that not many people are used to playing him. Yes, he's very powerful, but only if he's played right. His ultimate can be VERY punishing if he messes it up, too.
I'm impressed, however. Usually after every rework/new champion, there's at least one "omg-plz-don't-play-new-champs-in-ranked" post on the boards, and I've seen none for Ryze! Maybe because he wasn't changed a whole-lot...
Pale Pirate1 votesI don't know, maybe it's because he was so hard anyway, and because he wasn't so unpopular that his rework hyped people out of his playerbase.
TheOvermind1 votesHis level 1 ultimate is very weak. Also w's high cool down really shows now that he can't reset its cooldown
CppL1 votesI guess cause of the ulti.I saw so many ryzes ultining alone into 3-4 people ,and getting 100-0.Like dude ,wtf?
Slartibartfast1 votesI think it is sad that they deleted a perfectly fine champ. He was a low mobility and low range champ and had all the tools necessary. He had his passive cdr from ult, a little aoe from his e + magic pen, which would enable him to actually build tanky. With his old ult he could press a "boost" button giving him aoe and spellvamp, when a teamfight breaks out and allow him to compensate somewhat for being the sitting duck he is. I don't understand why they reworked him at all. I'm an ARAM player and played 2 games with him so far there. And it feels really bad, you build your tear and ROA, by which time you're probably lvl 11, and proceed to get dumpster by literally anyone. Who would have guessed with 20% less cdr, no magic pen, spellvamp or a reliable shield, and you being forced to choose between making his w's duration like it was before, spreading his e to actually allow him to use aoe or use it for q to actually deal dmg with it. /Rant over