Yes, Vayne actually IS weak early-game.

Pale Pirate·Sep 27, 2015·101 votes·5,663 views

Oh, she bought ? Never mind.

135 Comments

WolfChasesSep 27, 201541 votes

Played Caitlyn went 4-0 against Vayne and Bard, had item 3006 item 3031 and item 3086 > She got item 3144 and and managed to annihilate me 1v1 even tho I wasn't condamned and I didnt miss my Q and E.

howstheweather13Sep 27, 20155 votes

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Played went 4-0 against Vayne and Bard, had and > She got and and managed to annihilate me 1v1 even tho I wasn't condamned and I didnt miss my Q and E.

Caitlyn= zone control ADC Vayne= Fiora of ADC Ofc she is going to annihilate you 1v1 she is a duelist plus that free damage on ulting is no joke, most people don't take note but attack speed turns Vayne into a beastly monster because of the consistent dps she can dish out especially when she ultimates.

Edit, any decent Vayne player knows this land some aa's before you ult and bait a flash condemn that should guarantee a kill.

Shadow GilgameshSep 27, 201515 votes

Yeah but with Cait having boots and 1.5 core items to Vayne, the "late game hypercarry"'s boots and half her first core item?

I'd agree with you if it was like, Cait with full build and Vayne with 5 items, but getting styled on by a behind Vayne that early shouldn't happen, but it does... a lot, to a lot of different ADCs

WolfChasesSep 29, 20152 votes

Exactly^

Vayne indeed is a far better duelist than Caitlyn, but still, it doesn't meter how good duelist you are, if you are adc and you are far behind and don't have a single completed item you shouldn't be able to out trade enemy ADC whos ahead having one and a half item over you.

Asayake 5150glowSep 27, 20157 votes

Ok, but let's be real here. Math

Actually, I forgot about boots, but you get my point.

You should've won. You won in the sim without even critting once.

Vegas DadSep 27, 20154 votes

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Ok, but let's be real here. Math

Actually, I forgot about boots, but you get my point.

You should've won. You won in the sim without even critting once.

Too bad the game isn't a spread sheet so it makes your math meaningless. For example your math doesn't account for vayne going invisible which is a huge boon to defense on average vayne will gain a full free attack round early and as the game progressive that increases based on her attack speed.

You also forgot some other nifty stuff like the bonus ad from vaynes ult, the extra dmg from tumble and condem. Then imagine if the condem actually stunned you.... Carne is hirseshit

Asayake 5150glowSep 27, 20155 votes

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Too bad the game isn't a spread sheet so it makes your math meaningless. For example your math doesn't account for vayne going invisible which is a huge boon to defense on average vayne will gain a full free attack round early and as the game progressive that increases based on her attack speed.

You also forgot some other nifty stuff like the bonus ad from vaynes ult, the extra dmg from tumble and condem. Then imagine if the condem actually stunned you.... Carne is hirseshit

...I understand if you didn't read all of it through, but I didn't forget any of those. Besides, Vayne could tumble all of 2 times. It's not that huge. Also, he said he landed both his Q and his E, and that he wasn't stunned by condemn.

JuicymanSep 27, 201540 votes

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Played went 4-0 against Vayne and Bard, had and > She got and and managed to annihilate me 1v1 even tho I wasn't condamned and I didnt miss my Q and E.

0/8 Vayne with item 3153 against a 7/1 Graves with more farm and items. He landed everything but only survived with 72 hp. The next time they fought she won. I wish I was exaggerating.

What's the point is picking other ADCs when you can guarantee to be the best by item 3153 minutes?

NarasimhaSep 27, 201521 votes

Do you have evidence of this? Because honestly, I'm calling bull on this one. Unless Graves missed everything, which you claimed he didn't, theres no way Vayne would have won with just boots and BotRK. I'm assuming Graves had boots, IE, and either Zeal or some lifesteal. Grave's burst is just too much. Well, unless the support helped out more than you're letting on, in which case its hardly Vayne.

I mean, I beat a 6/1 Vayne with item 3153 AND item 3046 once, and I was the 1/4 Varus with item 3072 and item 1043 . So is Varus a problem now?

Maximum MordeSep 27, 20154 votes

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Do you have evidence of this? Because honestly, I'm calling bull on this one. Unless Graves missed everything, which you claimed he didn't, theres no way Vayne would have won with just boots and BotRK. I'm assuming Graves had boots, IE, and either Zeal or some lifesteal. Grave's burst is just too much. Well, unless the support helped out more than you're letting on, in which case its hardly Vayne.

I'd believe it because Vayne's Ult is bullshit that totally breaks trying to duel with her. She will get 2-3 auto attacks(hooray silver bolt procs!) for every one you get on her because of it and with a heal+BotRK active she can survive Graves' burst.

Byakuya KuchikiSep 27, 20154 votes

graves can burst the vayne in a q r auto combo if hes 7/1

Trading AcesSep 27, 20153 votes

See Varus would be able to beat Vayne due to his ult locking her down, giving him free autos. Cait and Graves don't have that luxury.

NarasimhaSep 27, 20157 votes

That's actually exactly what happened >.> <,<

Though to hear the boards tell it, I should be lucky to land ANY skillshots on her.

CenturosSep 27, 20153 votes

Hey now, she's not Kalista.

AuryielSep 27, 201519 votes

Those 2 are obviously exaggerating, I could say I was a level 18 Zed dueling a level 6 Vayne with doran's blade, that I landed everything on her and still lost and I'd get upvotes on these boards.

But yeah exaggeration is fun I guess ;)

Tails DollSep 27, 20159 votes

Heal and BOTRK active give enough heal to survive graves brust. I'm assuming graves didnt have a pink ward or red trinket, so thta means for every AA he got on her, she got 2 or 3 thanks to stealth.

It's working as intended, but it feels like fuckign bullshit.

Byakuya KuchikiSep 27, 20152 votes

graves should be able to combo it so she doesnt have a chance to bork and then he auto's twice and the heal is gone

GorgannanSep 28, 20156 votes

Graves burst damage can literally 100-0 a Vayne when he's NOT fed.

That guy is blatantly lying.

Tails DollSep 28, 20153 votes

No, he cant. He needs a few AA's to kill her, and again she has heal and BOTRK active.

GorgannanSep 28, 20155 votes

He also has heal, and whoah, she needs to AA him too. Which cancels stealth, so Idk why so many people in this thread are saying each stealth gives her 3 autos that he won't react to.

His ult does insane damage, and his Q does too. More than her silver bolts x 5.

Hexs FortuneSep 27, 20154 votes

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0/8 Vayne with against a 7/1 Graves with more farm and items. He landed everything but only survived with 72 hp. The next time they fought she won. I wish I was exaggerating.

What's the point is picking other ADCs when you can guarantee to be the best by minutes?

18/0 MF with nearly full build out dmg'd 1v1 vs a 1/5 vayne who had nothing but Botrk and zeal.

Didn't get condemn'd just straight out traded. Blew my mind. Went back and won game easily after but still really annoyed.

GorgannanSep 28, 20153 votes

Lies.

18/0 MF would literally 3 shot her, as you'd have crit. If you are nearly full build, you would have 300 AD with over 50% crit.

She would have 140 AD with just bork. Idgaf, you only lost if you ran 90% of the fight.

Hexs FortuneSep 28, 20151 votes

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Lies.

18/0 MF would literally 3 shot her, as you'd have crit. If you are nearly full build, you would have 300 AD with over 50% crit.

She would have 140 AD with just bork. Idgaf, you only lost if you ran 90% of the fight.

I had friends with me. We all saw the BS. Why lie about it. I was utterly amazed. Call it an unlucky string non crits or whatever, but it happened and I was blown

GorgannanSep 28, 20153 votes

People stretch the truth all the time.

NiyumiSep 27, 20152 votes

Take a Lucian with Triforce against Vayne. We were both full build, and I won through my burst.

I had IE, AS boots, Triforce, Statik, LW and a BORK.

Q>AA>W>AA>E>AA>AA, won.

GorgannanSep 28, 20152 votes

I really doubt that. Graves Q R combo will take a vayne to well below 1/3 hp if he's that fed.

nomeLSep 27, 20152 votes

vayne bard is trash

darkmatchwaldoSep 27, 20152 votes

Well yeah.........if she lands 3 aa's in a row of course she's gonna melt you........ what else would you expect?

MakeABronziesDaySep 27, 20152 votes

prove it. this either didnt happen or you took 5 seconds between autoattacks

TurquoiseYoshiSep 27, 201520 votes

Corki hits a powerspike at 3703 gold. Is considered good early. Vayne hits a powerspike at 3200 gold. Is considered crap early.

Byakuya KuchikiSep 27, 20152 votes

corki's power spike is at 2500

TurquoiseYoshiSep 27, 20154 votes

He spikes a lot harder at T-Force than Sheen + Phage.

Byakuya KuchikiSep 27, 20153 votes

but sheen+phage is his main power spike that would be like saying vayne spikes harder bork pd then bork

pripustasSep 27, 201518 votes

I love how Kassadin has about 1/4th of Vayne's early, and 1/10th late. Yet they are both somehow "balanced" according to Riot..

Pale PirateSep 27, 20159 votes

Rito never said Kass is balanced. He was just deemed broken and he was olaffed. The legend speaks of a rework, some day.

BluePolarizerSep 27, 201518 votes

Power spike: item 1055

Won lane: item 3144

Mid game: item 3144 item 1042

Late game: item 3153

Hypercarry: item 3153 item 3006

OyddAWqJ5rSep 28, 20154 votes

Vayne is useless after 2 items though. Nothing she can do since the enemy nexus is already destroyed.

KONO RUBICK DASep 27, 20155 votes

she bought brk and now she reached 6 slot adc statue

PennsSep 27, 20154 votes

Vayne got item 1053 ? gg she free farmed and reached mid game, lane lost topkek

Gunslinger744Sep 27, 20154 votes

I've seen a 3/0/1 Jinx 1v1 a 0/3/1 Vayne, Vayne had item 3144 and item 3006 . Jinx had item 3031 and You can take one guess who won. I'll give you a hint, it pissed Jinx off and it pissed me off.

ShonjlSep 27, 20154 votes

Vayne is stupid strong early game just because of Cutlass. All other ADCs usually try to buy BF sword first which is a 1550 item while all Vayne has to get first is Cutlass which is 1200. Now she can sustain herself with ease and can only die if you hard cc her and even then she can possibly escape still by just E ing the ADC away and tumbling away.

My only gripe with Vayne is how safe she is as well as how easy to play and how powerful she is. If you are new to being ADC, any other ADC will be a rough time for you. Vayne though? Vayne is not hard to play. I remember playing her when she was free, having 0 experience with her and not really being into ADCs at the time. I was still able to go 20+ kills with her and like 1 death.

So while to most people this will probably just be more Vayne QQ. She is not hard to play at all and doesn't really sacrifice anything to have what she has. She has self peel, escape, 2 ways to initiate, passive that makes it hard to escape her, steriod on her ult, a passive that has no counter because it counters both health and armor. All she needs is sustain and well, Bork. Even without Bork, Bloodthirster would do just as well.

YOU BEEN WARNEDSep 27, 20154 votes

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Oh, she bought ? Never mind.

ftfy

CroaninSep 28, 20153 votes

More people need to play Draven thats all.

ModCaptainMårvelousSep 27, 20152 votes

item 3144

So much for pushing her out of lane I guess.

MohawkBirdSep 27, 20152 votes

Even then she still isn't weak. Once she gets a vamp scepter she is able to easily sustain and outheal when you try to poke her. Try and all in and she presses E. There is literally no way to punish any competent Vayne in the early game unless she makes a stupid mistake.

SlampieceHawkeSep 27, 20151 votes

Couldn't have said it better myself. I can't even harass her w/ draven. I mean I can get like 1 or 2 hits in before she gets the hint and plays super safe/heals back up.

Byakuya KuchikiSep 27, 20152 votes

what kind of way are you playing draven that you cant completely stop her from CSing?