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Taliyah Ultimate and Passive Change suggestions.

Sciencebang·1/9/2017, 10:45:04 PM·4 votes·1,347 views

Taliyah Taliyah is one of my favourite champions. I am currently a Taliyah support main and I am in love with her Basic abilities. But there are some minor issues with her kit design that I believe can be reworked to make her more defined in her role and capability as both a support or midlaner, in all stages of the game.

I will address both issues in her kit i have a problem with.

Taliyah's Ultimate: Weaver's Wall is 100% a utility based ultimate. It has a very long cooldown, even at max rank. This ability also requires specific positioning, and communication with your team to pull off well. This means that at level 6, while most champions get a large powerspike due to the threat of their ultimates, Taliyah falls behind.

Taliyah's Passive: Rock Surfing. Rock Surfing is also a utility based passive. When near walls, Taliyah gains 20-40% movespeed. This ability allows her to get back to lane faster or roam a bit better than other champions. This ability requires a lot of conscious effort to use, with a payout that isn't the most satisfying.

Here is the first part of my suggestion to alter her kit. In order to give Taliyah a level 6 powerspike that is unique to her, and suits her niche/theme well, I suggest that Taliyah's current passive is moved to be a passive in part of her Ultimate. Weaver's Wall will still have the same active, but upon ranking the skill up, Taliyah will gain the Rock Surfing passive, which will give her 30%/40%/50% MS while surfing. This means as soon as Taliyah hits Level 6, she will not gain a teamfight/combat oriented powerspike, but rather a large map presence powerspike. This makes her Level 6 roam with Ult a strong tool that can affect any lane/area of the map, and will put her closer to being equal to other champions with level 6 powerspikes.

Now that her passive is moved to her ultimate I would suggest a new passive that works with all of her Basic Abilities flawlessly. Taliyah's new Passive: Sharp Rocks. Sharp Rocks is an original passive I thought of that works kind of like Amumu passive, but fitted perfectly to Taliyah. On Every instance of damage from Taliyah's abilities, the enemy will lose 1/2/3/4 Magic Resistance stacking up to 5 times, lasting 4 seconds OR lasting 3 seconds then having a stack fall off every 0.5 seconds. This will give Taliyah a major oomph in extended trading and teamfights. The way this passive is perfectly suited to Taliyah is that it applies on every instance of damage from her abilities. That means if Taliyah hits an enemy with all 5 of her Threaded Volley shots, then they will lose 5/10/15/20 MR, or if Taliyah hits her E+W combo, one stack from the W, 4 stacks from E. Essentially, this makes Taliyah strong at buffing her allies' magic damage in teamfights, or getting a pick in a fight. Of course, I am not a champion designer, so the passive may seem a bit strong, but the numbers can be tweaked.

Overall I think these changes would help refine her Control Mage niche more. At level 6, start roaming. In teamfights, get a pick for your team.

Thank you for reading and tell me what you think on my suggested changes to make Taliyah's Kit more satisfying/defined.

-- ScienceBang

6 Comments

Asura Gonza1/10/2017, 5:51:27 PM2 votes

The problem with the OP suggestion is that it will drastically UP taly´s damage an we all know RIOT do not want that.

A lot of people, including myself, have suggested moving rock surf as an R passive tho. Mein particular, suggested that the more levels on R... the more range you could be for walls to activate the passive, or the more levels.. more the duration of the passive outside walls.

A better idea for rocksurf: Why riot doesnt just drops this "have to be near walls" idea and let her summon the surfboard after x seconds of being outside combat?.

If they want...give her this attribute after leveling R!. She is able to surf near walls only pre 6..but after 6 she can ride the surfboard after X seconds of being out of combat....and every level of R reduces the time needed to be out of combat Ex:

At lvl6, she can ride wherever she is after 5 secs out of combat At Rlvl2...after 3.5 secs AT Rlvl3...after 2 secs.

Wala! now you have a useful passive! and no thematically derpy.

If we move rocksurf to her R, her normal passive could be done around worked ground, in a way to give her new propertis to her skills, of affecting all fo them... not only the Q.

Also, if we are going to suggest a damage buff to taly, i would suggest increased damage or something, to the WG Q, as that pellet alone in WG practically tickles.

EinarUlfar1/10/2017, 9:27:51 PM2 votes

Given she's all about those "sick roams", I really like the idea of the passive incorporated into her R. I'm also a Support main that uses Taliyah quite often, and implementing that passive would, in my opinion do two very lovely things. -

  1. Give her the ability to do what she was meant to do best - Roam (given she's no longer the control mage she was upon release) - even with the best of mid-lane roamers post-6.
  2. As a squishy poke/burst support, give her the ability to roam out quickly for warding/vision denial, and get back to lane to protect the carry.

In mid-lane, roaming is something you'll often find yourself doing a lot. So I definitely second this idea. As a support Taliyah, the enemy mid doesn't have to be completely on their guard from your burst (if you do roam without R up) because you won't have the items/CS you would if you were a laner.

Suggested buffs if I could have one: Sliiightly increased knock-up speed on W or slight increase to Mana Regen growth.

EtyrnaI1/9/2017, 10:49:02 PM1 votes

I like the thought of applying her current passive to Weaver's Wall. As far as the taking away 1/2/3/4 Magic Resistance from opponents, I'm not sure about that. ADC's and Mages can currently be, in a sense, 3 shotted in a solid Taliyah Combo at the end game. I think we may be over stretching here. I can't say for sure, as I don't know the impact it would actually have but it seems a bit to good to me.

Thanks for the post though. Solid idea to think about. :D

Dynikus1/9/2017, 10:54:42 PM1 votes

This means as soon as Taliyah hits Level 6, she will not gain a teamfight/combat oriented powerspike, but rather a large map presence powerspike. This makes her Level 6 roam with Ult a strong tool that can affect any lane/area of the map

That's already what happens, though.

And the passive just seems unnecessary to me.