Veiger Remake - I demand an explanation

I sense a little 12 year old boy right here. I have a feeling its past your bed time little boy. don't want your parents to get mad at you now. Right?

Dude, I think you need a nap. Or a bottle. Or burped.

Riot posted their reasoning behind the veigar changes and I think they put him in a healthier and more buffable place.

I seem to not understand what you are referring to but I'll try to show some explanation. I'm just tired of people spamming boards demanding a response from Riot while simultaneously insulting them and calling them stupid for their reasons to change things. Calling them retards doesn't make them want to reply because the problem will most likely escalate to more name calling and arguments if they respond.

If a Zed can still wreck a Xerath, he can still wreck a wannabe Xerath.

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Though, you could say since his Q has a longer range and can hit up to 2 minions, he doesn't need to get close to Zeds and Leblancs in lane anymore. It does give him some safety in lane.

The amount if minions is the same. You can't achieve more CS with new Q.

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Also, the cage, and reduced fall time for W is a HUGE buff to teamfights. A good cage will win you a fight. Your enemy will be forced to stand in the center if you aim properly, meaning that if you crowd 3-4 people inside of that cage, it is an aoe fighter's wet dream.

They didn't reduce the fall time of his W though...

Simple fact is right now he can easily gain 300+ AP with just a morello's by 15 minutes if you last hit properly. That is crazy.

he could do that before and didn't shove his lane nearly as hard as he does on the PBE

I do not deny that his E should have a slow or something in the middle, but saying this is a nerf, when literally all of his abilities gained >reduced mana costs, ranged, cast times, cooldowns, etc, and then saying this is a nerf is just uneducated. You can literally q farm just >as well as an Annie right now. Thats insane.

his Q has a higher cooldown later in the game and its mana cost didn't change. Veigar stopped having mana problems by 20 minutes anyway.

he got some minor buffs to "compensate" (i'm noticing a theme here) for his only reliable form of CC to become delayed enough that anyone can walk out of it without boots. god forbid you go up against anyone who has a dash because they'll spam laugh while you get bent over

Also, the cage, and reduced fall time for W is a HUGE buff to teamfights. A good cage will win you a fight. Your enemy will be forced to >stand in the center if you aim properly, meaning that if you crowd 3-4 people inside of that cage, it is an aoe fighter's wet dream.

this already happened, but you didn't have the time to just walk out of his box and disengage/counter-engage on him. you had to guess where he was going to drop his stun and play around it (which is actual counterplay, not being given a wacky sound effect and some flashing lights to tell you you're in danger)

Oh, and W didn't get a reduced fall time, or it wasn't mentioned at all. it got a lower cooldown and a slightly lower mana cost at later levels

The only thing that should be done is A: Increasing the ult scaling to 1:1 instead of 1:0, OR, adding a slow to targets trapped inside of >the cage

what should be done is for Veigar to be given more durability at the cost of his reliability. making someone a hyper-squishy champion who's already painfully slow and now can't even outplay you with his E isn't good nor fair design. and frankly, neither is the fact that he has a dedicated Mage-Be-Gone button loaded into his ultimate. if you want a fair power distribution, remove some from his ult stealing enemy AP and put it into its natural scaling. but the E change is not cool at all, it makes him unfairly susceptible to mobility and assassins. it's gone from "okay I should bait his stun because it'll come up faster than I can burst him" to "I can easily kill Veigar, his stun won't come up fast enough to stop me."

quick edit: i'd like to note I think his Q is way more fun as a skillshot and it'll probably be a huge boon to his laning, but his E should be left alone considering how many ways you can counter it; or at, the very least, the delay be slightly reduced

im not saying that they have to use a flash im saying that if you have a fast enough reaction you could just avoid walking into Veigar's E like if i was against a Katarina and the player has really good reflexes he can just hop onto another minion to get out of the stuns range. This makes veigar very weak against assassins like leblanc and fizz because he cant hold down these champs anymore and i already cant deal with fizz's dodging ability

While you are right about the Q, keep in mind that it is a skillshot and as such can be bodyblocked and dodged. Now that I think about it, maybe the cage should cost more mana to keep it in line if it had no delay. It really is too strong but it's in a weird spot of balance. Dark Matter needed the CD buff, since it was only useful for waveclear to begin with.