Plea for more magic penetration items

FuzzyLumps·5/17/2017, 2:14:33 PM·6 votes·1,523 views

I love playing ADC because you have so many options to do more damage with armor penetration/lethality, some of which give resistances, utility, and extra damage.

When playing a mage you have very limited options. The only magic penetration item to give a resistance is a tank item with no ability power to back it up. The item variety is very uneven between armor penetration and magic penetration. Could we get more magic penetration variety?

Armor penetration items Duskblade Edge of night Lord Dominic's regards Moral reminder The black cleaver Yomuu's ghostblade Lord Van Damm's pillager

Magic penetration items Liandry's torment Void staff Sorcerer's boots Abyssal scepter (tank item)

20 Comments

Ahristocats5/17/2017, 2:23:22 PM6 votes

if black cleaver counts as armor pen

then item 3091 is mr pen

Joxcab5/17/2017, 2:22:50 PM4 votes

You're forgetting there's a lot less MR than armor both base and purchasable items.

Void Staff is INCREDIBLY strong.

LDR and MR don't stack. Edge of Night is a bad item now. Cleaver is reduction not penetration. LVDP isn't even Summoner's Rift and thus doesn't matter at all.

The 4 Magic Pen items are versatile enough for just about any case except for Liandry's.

Zero Skill Tank5/17/2017, 2:21:55 PM3 votes

Bumped. This is especially terrible because Void Staff has no secondary effect - a mage usually needs to devote a slot to a stat stick.

Even if new penetration item didn't stack with Void Staff, it would make AP build paths a bit better.

Also, AS no longer grants penetration.

Acheron165/17/2017, 3:30:25 PM3 votes

Learn what you're freaking asking:

Magic resist DOES NOT SCALE save in select few exceptions. If you ask for more Magic Pen items, you are also asking for mages getting less AP scaling Magic damage is strong because you have to specifically buy items to counter it.

Mages pros:

Good damage (mostly burst but some dps as well) to all targets except tanks (actual tanks, not bruisers)
Very high utility
Strong all game long

Mages cons:

Not good DPS overall
Mana can possibly be a problem (pretty much doesn't happen anymore)
Cant deal as much damage when itemized against (intended weakness and offset via high utility)

Stop asking for ways to ignore your weaknesses, that won't happen without losing something.

PS: And Void staff is always a good buy, it penetrates max MR, unlike something like Last Whisper that only penetrates bonus armor. It is never a bad buy (though it can be a suboptimal one)

Dorado5/17/2017, 7:32:02 PM3 votes

The problem isn't that AP itemization has too little pen, it's that AD has far too much.

Proxy3455/17/2017, 7:35:23 PM2 votes

Riot could just bring back Malady lol

Chalizard5/17/2017, 2:30:42 PM1 votes

Why do you need Magic pene for mages except boots, cause there are No ap boots and void staff against heavy mr champions? Ap champions have high ap ratio and if they don't, then they are not supposed to deal too much damage and it would be op for tanks. Also abyssal scepter was such an item and it was broken, everyone in higher elo rushes that as a first item on 90% ap champions.

Magic pene is not just armor pene for mages but it would also affect most tanks.