DFG is removed now can we add more bans?

Bentelele··28 votes·2,421 views

So DFG removal is a good decision but we are missing a key point in match making that takes place before you even get into game, the number of bans aloud per team. Lets take a quick look at some ratios: 2009-LoL begins with 40 champions and has 3 bans per team, 6 bans total. that means one team could get rid of 7.5% of the champions and total 15% of the champions were banned. 2015-LoL season 2015 starts and has 123 champions and still same bans 3/team and 6 total. that means one team can get rid of 2.4% of the champions and 5.6% total champions are banned.

Now I do not believe we need to have the 'same' ratio of champions banned(ie 6/40 = 18.45/123) cause that is just too much banning and quite frankly not that many champions are broken or are too easy to play to change the flow of the game or counter who you want to play or don't want to play against in general. But a simple 6 bans/team would be 12 total and bring the ratio to the middle(it would be like league starting and allowing 1.5 bans per team so 3 total)

I believe that if my number of 12 total bans is accurately close to bringing more balance to the game, and perhaps in eSports tournaments it doesn't even require a change because those are the best players league has to offer and are more than capable of playing a tougher game. However in public match making something needs to be done and I feel this is a great solution.

Please leave feedback on your thoughts and don't forget to rate if you agree or disagree.

Edit: Kivolan said 5 bans per team allowing 1 person to ban a champion, great idea. I still think 6 would be ideal but just adding more bans in general would be an improvement. The idea of everyone getting to ban someone instead of top slot getting to ban for the whole team is another great idea riot should consider and work into the game.

23 Comments

Kivolan13 votes

It needs to be five so each person on a team gets one ban each. So much more fair than my top lane simply banning their counters instead of getting rid of AP carries like Akali.

Brorelia7 votes

It should be changed to something like the dota 2 system

Each team bans 2 Then team A gets 1 pick and team B gets 2 picks Then each team bans 1 more Followed by each team getting 1 pick Then one ban per team Then one pick One ban Then team A gets 2 picks and team B gets one pick and it is over

Overall it makes it more about dealing with what is likely to be a problem to a team comp and less about what is super OP.

Caeler1 votes

I agree, this sounds a lot better than the current system. The current system is along the lines of ban OP champs and hope the other team doesn't get them. You don't ban based around the other team's strategy, but around what's FotM. Your suggested change seems like it would allow actual strategies in the banning phase. Ex: They look like they're going for a knock up comp, so I'll ban Yasuo

SnackieCakes3 votes

I like the idea of more bans, but disagree that it should be 6 per team. I'd be comfortable with 4.

The problem with banning 12 champions is that you could pretty much annihilate one role, like ADC, or something more specific, like Assassins. I don't think that's healthy.

Kitten of Evil2 votes

If both teams want to play without ADCs, I say let them.

Undead Warchief1 votes

There is no role that has less than 12 champions for it, even if you go with 6 bans a piece. Just for the adc role since you think you would be banned out there is: Ashe Tristana Kallista Kog'Maw Graves Ezreal Lucian Varus Vayne Miss Fortune Twitch Jinx Sivir Caitlyn Draven Corki

Hmmm it seems to me that there is more than 12 champions there, in fact there is more than enough for both teams to have an adc.

Kitten of Evil1 votes

My point was, if both teams want to ban all viable champions in a certain role, that should be up to them!

junglerboy161 votes

I actually think that would be the only reason I would like more than the current number of bans, because then you may get a chance to play with no ADC on either side for a change, or no mage, or no support. It might actually let you play out of meta comps like duo bruiser bot ADC mid with a roaming support and fun stuff like that.

Balderdash10002 votes

Two things I really think I should point out.

  1. When lol first came out, all there was was blind pick for the longest time, so your talk about 40 champions and 3 bans isn't quite right.
  2. During season 1 there were only 2 bans per side... so your talk about 3 bans isn't quite right..

Either way, your facts are a bit off. I don't really care about the number of bans one way or another, but I I thought you might like to know what things were actually like at the beginning.

Subject 52 votes

I don't know . . . the massive champion pool of 3 junglers might be banned out, and 4 top laners with three adc's and two supports . . . that's like. The entire champion pool.

Undead Warchief2 votes

I completely agree on more bans, that would help out tremendously. I also like the idea of one ban per person. I think those two changes would greatly increase the champion diversity and general enjoyment of the game.

junglerboy161 votes

THIS^^^

If they add more bans, they have to make it so that everyone gets 1 ban. I almost NEVER get to do bans, and it is really annoying, and this would mean everyone gets to ban somebody they personally don't want to go up against.

Fadedpf1 votes

If each team had 4 bans that would be nice I would ban Blitzcrank JarvanIV Malzahar and Akali if she wasnt already banned

Unreal11 votes

I'd love to see one more ban after each team picks 2 champs. It'll bring a lot more strategy to the draft.

Dwigt1 votes

This will never happen with the current balance team where the meta picks are so limited that the ban & pick phase will basically determine the outcome of a match for the pro scene. Even right now, that 5 min segment of the game is very important but making it to 4 bans will make it too pivotal.

The Epicer ONe1 votes

this has been asked for so long wtf rito.

53872273_DEL1 votes

I think 5 bans per team is essential..

Krys Star1 votes

Five bans per team would make the most sense. There's really no need for more or less. I remember hearing a method that I think Dota 2 uses. You ban a few, pick a few, ban your last bans, and rest of the team picks their heroes.

Ban Pick Ban Pick Match Starts

basically.

junglerboy161 votes

Maybe 1 more ban each side would be nice, but every ban you add makes drafting take that much longer, and I would personally prefer more time playing a match and having fun than spending time deciding how to make sure I win. 5 bans would be a stretch, and 6 is just way too many. Adding more bans doesn't increase the number of viable champions in the game, all it does is make it so you have to pick from farther down the list of OP champs. If you aren't concerned about champ diversity, then who on earth even cares about bans at all?

ImHerVoice1 votes

5+ bans for sure then I can finally start banning thresh/nami

Anatharion1 votes

Do you realize how long the intro to the game would be if we had twice as many bans? I personally don't want to wait around for that extra two minutes just to start a match off.

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