Why is Trinity Force a reccomendeditem on Kindred?

Saphixia·Oct 15, 2015·9 votes·3,510 views

im pretty sure none of her abilitys scale off of ap, so isnt it a waste of money (im not trying to be rude i want to understand why)

35 Comments

JustMyBassCannonOct 15, 20156 votes

AP is the only stat you could say is wasted.

Well, that and the fact that she has the 3rd lowest base AD in the game, meaning she has a really weak Spellblade proc.

ErockandrollOct 15, 20152 votes

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AP is the only stat you could say is wasted.

Well, that and the fact that she has the 3rd lowest base AD in the game, meaning she has a really weak Spellblade proc.

That should probably be the only reason why Tri Force shouldn't be on the list. Otherwise, the reduced CD on her Q in wolfs zone, should give you a bunch of extra burst damage.

I don't know if half of these people are joking, or noobs. But your buy Tri Force for the spell blade proc. It doesn't really matter if you scale with AP or not. (if you do, that's a bonus.)

IcyPepperOct 16, 20154 votes

However, I think how quickly she can proc spellblade makes up for the lower AD with her WQ combo.

The phage passive is useful for kiting and her W passive, crit isn't terrible but the attack speed and MS is decent.

I wouldn't rush TF on Kindred, it seems more like a fourth or fifth item on them.

GigahappytownOct 16, 20153 votes

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However, I think how quickly she can proc spellblade makes up for the lower AD with her WQ combo.

The phage passive is useful for kiting and her W passive, crit isn't terrible but the attack speed and MS is decent.

I wouldn't rush TF on Kindred, it seems more like a fourth or fifth item on them.

no it doesn't lol triforce is garbage just buy more armor pen lmfao.

ghostblade is better in everyway cheaper armor pen attack speed gives every stat kindred wants without wasting any or being expensive

IcyPepperOct 16, 20151 votes

Hence why I would buy it as a fourth or fifth item.

If I was snowballing, I would buy TF since I can actually survive and make good use of it.

If I was behind, I would never buy it. Hell I hardly ever buy TF anyway on any champion.

Baseball3bOct 16, 20151 votes

This.

It actually has some decent synergy with her Q, it's just not worth rushing

ProfDrDeathOct 16, 20151 votes

That are the big cons of Spellblade for Kindred.

The big upside of the item is the MS boost she gets from it, both out of combat and in combat - her base MS is horrendous for a marks(wo)man of her range.

EndlessSorcererOct 15, 20155 votes

I would assume it has something to do with the low cooldown of their Q while inside the marked area.

stabby himikoOct 16, 20151 votes

spellblade CD is about her Qs i think,and that's outside of the marked area.

AriCeiMar 4, 20161 votes

The low CD on q is part of* what makes arm pen so good though, and for the money, i'll bet you get more dps out of the arm pen than you do out of the pathetic sheen procs on kindred, especially later into the game.

BeatzBoyFTWOct 16, 20154 votes

.......i doubt Yasuo buys Trinity just to power up his dash.

MiraweaveOct 15, 20153 votes

Trinity gives more than just AP.

That said, it's terrible on Kindred: her base ad is the lowest in the game so the proc is weak.

MatezoideOct 15, 20151 votes

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Trinity gives more than just AP.

That said, it's terrible on Kindred: her base ad is the lowest in the game so the proc is weak.

This.

Guy Fox TeemoOct 15, 20152 votes

It gives her kiting power, gives her Ad which she needs since she has low ad, gives her attack speed which she does well with and gives her a proc for more damage. It's not a bad item at all.

AriCeiMar 4, 20161 votes

Black cleaver anyone? Need attack speed? Better off with a different zeal item or botrk

RebonackOct 15, 20152 votes

A waste of AP and she doesn't particularly need the mana, either.

I mostly want to know why her heals don't have AP ratios. Would have been a perfect spot for them.

lolipopevelynnOct 15, 20152 votes

i made mistake of trying item 3078 on kin. huge mistake, it did absolutely nothing. even when fed triforce doesnt do anything special on her as any other high damaging AD item would have been better. the 30ap does nothing, her AD ratios are far too low for the 30AD to do anything, and the HP was pointless. move speed was nice i guess.

blkKalameetOct 16, 20152 votes

It's a recommended item because she can spam her Q a lot to constantly use the spellblade proc. Kindred has such a low base ad you are better off not picking this up tho.

I say grab a ghostblade instead. The active is great, and stacking armor pen to get more mileage out of her passive and bork on hit would be a better use of the gold than an expensive triforce.

junglerboy16Oct 16, 20152 votes

mostly because Q is spammable which allows for a lot of sheen procs.

A lot of champs who use trinity force end up wasting one (sometimes several) stats and are still quite effective with it. Consider Yasuo, he builds Trinity, but doesn't use mana, yet it is currently considered a core item alongside Shiv and IE.

AriCeiMar 4, 20161 votes

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Irelia BotMar 4, 20161 votes

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Sorry for the late comment- but why would you get TF on a yas WITH shiv and IE? Shiv IE is 100% crit. I don't think TF was ever that great on yas, and if you DO do it, you don't need both the others. Otherwise you are wasting so many of the stats.. you might as well buy a dagger and a phage instead.

In terms of kindred, I think it might be more worth using other on hit items than TF- like even Botrk, or hell wits end and devourerer if you are really sold on the on hits. I think arm pen is much stronger, because the extra damage that gives your q spams is far more worth than the little tiny sheen procs in between. There are cheaper/better options for almost every stat found on triforce.

necroing much?

AriCeiMar 4, 20161 votes

It's not as if the topic has become irrelevant.. considering at least I looked it up. I'll never understand the necronazis. Imagine if that existed in real life?

Oh well.

Also pretty funny you came here to call that..

junglerboy16Mar 4, 20161 votes

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It's not as if the topic has become irrelevant.. considering at least I looked it up. I'll never understand the necronazis. Imagine if that existed in real life?

Oh well.

Also pretty funny you came here to call that..

Necroing here is actually pretty relevant, because the stats of all of the items I was discussing changed dramatically with the preseason. Shiv got bumped from 20% to 30% and Trinity got changed into a crit item with 20% crit instead of 10%. Back when I made that post, IE+Shiv+Trinity gave exactly 50% crit chance, where it now gives 70%.

Necroing is bad because answering posts out of context, or even looking at old posts within the context of current balance will only muddy the understanding of anyone who happens across the thread.

AriCeiMar 5, 20161 votes

Or since the threads are still here... it can help clarify things in a current context?

What value does it serve sitting here ignored until someone googles or checks the forums for "Kindred and trinity force"?

So while I see that item stats have changed, so things like 100% crit on yas are different, but correcting that for current values does nothing bad except hurt the OPs ego.

Otherwise, this helps keep the context current

Earl EulrichOct 16, 20152 votes

to keep her winrate low...

SymbolicFearOct 16, 20152 votes

Its because of Sheen and the attack speed. She also benefits greatly from the movement speed and health/mana. The only thing she doesn't benefit from is the AP. Due to the low CD on her Q while her W is up, sheen can proc many many times during a single fight adding quite a bit of damage.

BaunjoOct 15, 20151 votes

Tri gives a lot more than AP. I'll let you figure out the rest when you play with them

SukishooOct 15, 20151 votes

AP is but ONE stat that Tri offers and it's a small one.

AriCeiMar 4, 20161 votes

All the stats are small on triforce- that's why it's best on champs who really can use all the stats. Like sure you can build triforce on yasuo, but is it really better than IE? Or a black cleaver? Whereas corki? to an extent Irelia? They hit HUUUGE power spikes from TF because every stat gives them just that little bit of edge to everything they are trying to do.

Red RyuOct 15, 20151 votes

Every stat but AP works for them.

But that isn't the issue, the issue is the really bad base AD kindred has.

Guy Fox TeemoOct 15, 20151 votes

neither does vayne, yasuo, (sometimes darius), gangplank (W eh), yi , fiora, Lee (Sometimes) , shyvana, wukong. Trinity isn't meant for an AP item, if you didn't know. most users are AD casters.

ThubanOct 15, 20151 votes

You don't buy triforce for the stats, you buy it for the spellblade and the speed boost. That is, if you don't have low base ad.

Sire HippingtonOct 16, 20151 votes

trinity never is about the ap, but mostly the proc. Alot trinity useres like Yasuo don't make use off all the stats. He doesn't need mana, and his ap scaleing is ignorable, yet most yasuos get it as second item. And kindret with the Q resets duering W can use those spellblade procs pretty frequently. Aditionally, it's about mobillity, haveing 8% +10/30 flat ms is quite nice to have, helps alot at chaseing/kiteing. I wouldn't use it as a core item, but it certainly isn't a bad choice on her.

AriCeiMar 4, 20161 votes

I think the main point is that for every single stat you mention, there is a better option that is more synergistic with kindred.