Why are you nerfing Cassiopeia?

Realm Down·4/20/2016, 4:19:29 PM·3 votes·1,560 views

i get it, she has kind of a root on her W and everything. i love playing Cassio how she is now, her only problem is that games are too short and it's hard to stack her passive up fully. that being said, her new passive is fucking stupid. its actually a direct nerf. you already build movement speed items like ludens or swifties on her, if you want movement speed, and get speed boosts from her kit. now you've taken away her free CDR. i understand that the sixth item slot will be worth something and give you a lot of AP in the absence of her missing the passive % AP bonus, but here's the problem riot.. do you know how many games you're actually going to be able to get six items in? so now you've taken a champ with high relative late game power, in a meta where games last 25 minutes and taken away the early boosts that things like the magic pen on sorc shoes or cdr on lucidity boots. you've made it to where you can no longer get the other helpful bonuses from boots like tenacity, cooldowns on summoner spells and magic pen in her early game. how do you get any kind of tenacity on cassiopeia now? is moonflair spellblade gonna be added to summoners rift and howling abyss? and yes people actually DO build different kinds of boots on mages sometimes. wow, what a surprise. you've also completely changed mana regen and directly nerfed her synergy with tear of the goddess. RIP Cassiopeia. this entire rework looks like garbage imo.

23 Comments

ShinigamiKazuki4/20/2016, 4:26:38 PM6 votes

Every mage got a nerf, didn't you read the Notes?

Riot doing everything in their power to nerf Mages into the ground so their Gods, Zed, Talon, Le Blanc, Katarina, and some other manaless assholes can run rampant and mages can be a class that no longer exists.

Thanks for deleting champions Rito.

Realm Down4/20/2016, 4:38:57 PM4 votes

i'm not level 21. this account is level 30 and i have another account that was plat 4 last season. i understand the mechanics of this game. (maybe you weren't talking about me, but maybe there is a glitch in my information.) anyway, yes i did the read the notes. i feel like everyone is getting crapped all over besides velkoz but i didn't actually read much of the minor changes. i love how all the mage itemization is going away, zhonias is still crap and has a longer stasis cooldown and you can't even QSS the zed ulti anymore. i'm not sure they WANT to destroy mages, but thats effectively what's been going on for a long time now. AP itemization is crap, AD assassins are overpowered and tanks will continue to be overtuned and nigh impossible to kill. you can't QSS the trundle ulti anymore, either. and the new items imo are messed up. i've never, ever understood why riot wants to try and change the whole game and unbalance everything even further in the middle of the season. btw, top lane tank builds with AP scalings will become even stronger now. Maokai or Ekko with a catalyst of aeons. that's great, man.

FACE THE WlND4/20/2016, 4:26:52 PM4 votes

It's a buff.

Lugg4/20/2016, 5:08:58 PM3 votes

I don't see the changes as nerfs at all. She will be a great pick into highly mobile champs now.

The Whamboozler4/20/2016, 5:05:35 PM3 votes

Um... not having to buy boots is a BUFF. She can spend her gold on DAMAGE instead. It also makes her 6 item build have more options. Remember back when Viktor was considered underpowered despite how strong he was ENTIRELY because his hex-core was lackluster and took up an item slot? Well Cass has the opposite problem. With the loss of boot enchantments losing the ability to buy them is even less of a problem. Sure you can't get the extra CDR boots or Sorc shoes for pen, but there are other items with those stats and she can dig into them hard.

Free stats are almost ALWAYS a buff. As long as they changed her so the damage on her Q actually MATTERS, she'll be in a good spot. If she's still a "Spam E" bot with nothing else to her, she'll be garbage no matter what passive she has, because it's a lousy playstyle.

Realm Down4/20/2016, 4:39:51 PM2 votes

oh, i meant AP itemization is crap unless you're someone like Annie who can now build an item with a 30 second cooldown on a dash.

MasqureMan4/20/2016, 4:46:34 PM2 votes

Play or watch her on the PBE first. She's doing a lot of damage at midgame, I don't think it'll be a problem if she doesn't hit 6 items.

Oleandervine4/21/2016, 5:34:57 PM1 votes

Nobody liked stacking that horrendous passive she currently has on live. It gobbled up so much of her kit's power and left her poisons as nothing more than set ups for E, worse off than Annie using Molten Shield for her Stun. This new rework eliminates that god awful passive and gives her her poisons mage identity back. About the only drawback of her new kit is that she can't access Sorcerer's Shoes, but that's a price I'll take if I don't ever have to see that time sink passive ever again.

Big Lincoln4/20/2016, 4:47:43 PM1 votes

are we still deluding ourselves into thinking AP itemization is worse

lol

The Queen Viper4/20/2016, 7:08:07 PM1 votes

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

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that being said, her new passive is fucking stupid.

Nope.

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its actually a direct nerf.

Nope.

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RIP Cassiopeia. this entire rework looks like garbage imo.

Nope.

Bobloser35554/21/2016, 5:30:51 PM1 votes

Only thing I am worried about is that she won't be as fun to play anymore. Her new W is interesting but in many a fight it may have no effect at all, since it always casts 800 range away from her.